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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 00:09:42
Subject: What trumps what?
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Powerful Ushbati
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The orc faq breaks the rules clearly listed in the rulebook!
FAQ: Q: If an Independent Character on a warbike joins
Snikrot’s unit before the game starts, can they still turn
up using the Ambush special rule? (p62)
A: Yes.
Rulebook: Under bock USR and Characters it says outflank and infiltrate are both lost when a character joins a unit without those rules.
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TK - 2013 40K GT Record 24-4
Best General Indy Open (Crons/CSM)
Top 5! Bugeater GT (TauDar)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 00:13:29
Subject: What trumps what?
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Huge Bone Giant
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Ambush is neither infiltrate nor outflank, though?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 00:19:13
Subject: What trumps what?
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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A good guide to go by is that specific rules have precedence over general rules. That excerpt in the BRB is a general rule for USR's, Ambush is a specific rule and GW clarified in their ruling that an IC is joined to a unit before deployment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 00:22:33
Subject: What trumps what?
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Powerful Ushbati
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Either way I guess one less warboss on the field for at minimum 3 turns with my OOF makes me happier!
So that one biker can move on from any board edge separating immediately for 12">?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/09/08 00:23:50
TK - 2012 40K GT Record 18-5
4th in 2nd bracket Feast of Blades 2012 (IG/SoB); 4th Overall Midwest Massacre (IG/SW); 5th Overall Indy Open (IG); Final 16 Adepticon Open (IG)
TK - 2013 40K GT Record 24-4
Best General Indy Open (Crons/CSM)
Top 5! Bugeater GT (TauDar)
Final 4 Nova Invitational (Eldau)
Best Overall Midwest Massacre (Crons/CSM)
TK- 2014 to Date: http://www.torrentoffire.com/rankings |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 00:39:55
Subject: What trumps what?
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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The rules also specify that he can't separate on the turn they arrive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 00:40:12
Subject: What trumps what?
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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Not sure why it is a minimum of 3 turns...? Although with 5+, 4+, 3+ the odds are in your favor.
They key is do not leave multi-charge options or if you do put them away from objectives in a corner so the whole unit is essentially 'out of the game'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 00:41:19
Subject: What trumps what?
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Making Stuff
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Tomb King wrote:So that one biker can move on from any board edge separating immediately for 12">?
The rulebok FAQ clarifies that he can't leave the unit on the turn they move onto the board.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 01:28:28
Subject: What trumps what?
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Powerful Ushbati
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insaniak wrote:Tomb King wrote:So that one biker can move on from any board edge separating immediately for 12">?
The rulebok FAQ clarifies that he can't leave the unit on the turn they move onto the board.
here is where it gets fishy. Can the biker charge something say 8+ inches away and the rest of the squad just stay in coherency moving 6"?
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TK - 2012 40K GT Record 18-5
4th in 2nd bracket Feast of Blades 2012 (IG/SoB); 4th Overall Midwest Massacre (IG/SW); 5th Overall Indy Open (IG); Final 16 Adepticon Open (IG)
TK - 2013 40K GT Record 24-4
Best General Indy Open (Crons/CSM)
Top 5! Bugeater GT (TauDar)
Final 4 Nova Invitational (Eldau)
Best Overall Midwest Massacre (Crons/CSM)
TK- 2014 to Date: http://www.torrentoffire.com/rankings |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 01:29:40
Subject: What trumps what?
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. All the normal assault rules apply to the unit. Bikes assault 6" like infantry.
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Adepticon 2015: Team Tourney Best Imperial Team- Team Ironguts, Adepticon 2014: Team Tourney 6th/120, Best Imperial Team- Cold Steel Mercs 2, 40k Championship Qualifier ~25/226
More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
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The 40K Rulebook & Codex FAQs. You should have these bookmarked if you play this game.
The Dakka Dakka Forum Rules You agreed to abide by these when you signed up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 01:50:31
Subject: What trumps what?
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Dakka Veteran
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Snikrot and kommandos + ghaz coming in behind you is nasty @.@
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 01:51:51
Subject: What trumps what?
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Tilter at Windmills
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Big gamble for the Orks, though, as it means there's a 50/50 chance that Ghaz won't even be on the table until turn 3 or later.
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Adepticon 2015: Team Tourney Best Imperial Team- Team Ironguts, Adepticon 2014: Team Tourney 6th/120, Best Imperial Team- Cold Steel Mercs 2, 40k Championship Qualifier ~25/226
More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
DT:70S++++G(FAQ)M++B++I+Pw40k99#+D+++A+++/sWD105R+++T(T)DM+++++
A better way to score Sportsmanship in tournaments
The 40K Rulebook & Codex FAQs. You should have these bookmarked if you play this game.
The Dakka Dakka Forum Rules You agreed to abide by these when you signed up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 01:54:58
Subject: What trumps what?
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Powerful Ushbati
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Mannahnin wrote:I'm not sure what you're talking about. All the normal assault rules apply to the unit. Bikes assault 6" like infantry.
Thinking of beast lol my bad! Automatically Appended Next Post: Mannahnin wrote:Big gamble for the Orks, though, as it means there's a 50/50 chance that Ghaz won't even be on the table until turn 3 or later.
Something that has me very happy!
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/09/08 01:55:15
TK - 2012 40K GT Record 18-5
4th in 2nd bracket Feast of Blades 2012 (IG/SoB); 4th Overall Midwest Massacre (IG/SW); 5th Overall Indy Open (IG); Final 16 Adepticon Open (IG)
TK - 2013 40K GT Record 24-4
Best General Indy Open (Crons/CSM)
Top 5! Bugeater GT (TauDar)
Final 4 Nova Invitational (Eldau)
Best Overall Midwest Massacre (Crons/CSM)
TK- 2014 to Date: http://www.torrentoffire.com/rankings |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 02:07:39
Subject: What trumps what?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Why would that make you happy!? The thought of Ghazzy giving you the privilege of being ripped apart by him should make you humbled!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/08 02:14:20
Subject: What trumps what?
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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Tomb King wrote:here is where it gets fishy. Can the biker charge something say 8+ inches away and the rest of the squad just stay in coherency moving 6"?
Even if bikes could charge more than 6", a unit is restricted to moving at the speed of its slowest model. So long as the biker is joined to the squad, he's only moving 6" just like them.
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