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Basically, I expect I'll be playing against an ork army, or a grey knights list. The GK list I am fairly certain will feature mordrak dropping in with paladins. I kinda just made this list to test out battle tanks with plasma sponsons, as well as the manticore, and lastly the missile launcher teams. Those are all new for my lists, and I would love C&C to strengthen the list

1850


CCS 255
Lord Castellan Creed
4 Plasma guns
w/Chimera


PCS 510
w/Chimera
4 Plasma guns
Infantry
w/Chimera
Infantry
Heavy Weapons
3 Lascannons
Heavy Weapons
3 Lascannons


PCS 480
w/Chimera
4 Plasma guns
Infantry
w/Chimera
Infantry
Heavy Weapons
3 Missile Launchers
Heavy Weapons
3 Missile Launchers





Battle Tank 570
Plas Sponson
Hull lascannon
Battle Tank
Plas Sponson
Hull lascannon
Manticore


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Forgot to mention, I have 35 pts left to spend.

Well right off the bat I'm going to make the plug that I despise list tailoring.

Now that I'm off that soap-box, let's take a look at the list. Two things will really help you against pallies:

1) S8 (low AP is nice)
2) Mass fire (60+ lasgun shots will start to wear things down)


Overall I'm not liking the feel of the list. Looks like you're trying for a hybrid list, but aren't pulling it off too well. Hybrid is definitely possible, but I'm just not feeling this one.

Joker58 wrote:Basically, I expect I'll be playing against an ork army, or a grey knights list. The GK list I am fairly certain will feature mordrak dropping in with paladins. I kinda just made this list to test out battle tanks with plasma sponsons, as well as the manticore, and lastly the missile launcher teams. Those are all new for my lists, and I would love C&C to strengthen the list

1850


CCS 255
Lord Castellan Creed
4 Plasma guns
w/Chimera

Why Creed? The line squads don't really have any weapons worth giving orders to and the HWS have a pretty low LD. A normal CCS would do a similar job for cheaper. Plus with plasma you'd probably be more on the move.

PCS 510
w/Chimera
4 Plasma guns

Plasma is expensive for BS3 models and you don't really have much in the way of anti-tank (Lascannons don't count, they're more effective against AV12 and lower. They're more like anti-transport) so I'd suggest meltaguns.

Infantry
w/Chimera
Infantry

These aren't much use naked. At least give them some weapons. Melta or flamers for the chimera riders.

Heavy Weapons
3 Lascannons
Heavy Weapons
3 Lascannons

Ehhhh, I don't really like lascannons in HWS. Expensive and the squads are easy to kill (S6 will wipe out an entire team) or force them to flee (low model count and low LD). Hide these well and take more of them (1 or 2 squads more) if you don't want to hide them out in line squads.

PCS 480
w/Chimera
4 Plasma guns
Infantry
w/Chimera
Infantry
Heavy Weapons
3 Missile Launchers
Heavy Weapons
3 Missile Launchers

Same comments as above, though I don't mind the missile launchers. I would personally prefer autocannons, but these can work.

Battle Tank 570
Plas Sponson
Hull lascannon
Battle Tank
Plas Sponson
Hull lascannon

Ish. These are expensive as hell. Haven't tried them myself, but I never take sponsons. I'd honestly suggest dropping the sponsons.

Manticore

Can't go wrong with S10 blasts.

Thanks for the comments so far! I usually take Creed with HWT's because of his 24' command range. So I can dish out fire on my target, bring em down, or 1st rank 2nd rank, and he has 4 commands per turn which is ideal.

Like I said, I am experimenting with new units, such as the use of sponsons, I don't usually take them, as well as the missile launchers, I usually take autocannons instead.

I actually like Lascannons as anti tank, I only had 3 last game against my buddy's GK's, and I popped his land raider, so I figured 6 and a manticore had most armor covered.

Perhaps I will take out the plasma guns in the PCS's, as the BS3 is a real buzz killer lol. I usually don't give my infantry much, I just hide em in or behind chimera's to get objectives or act as anti infantry.

Last time I played GK's I also had executioners, but now I have the 72 inch range of the battlecannon, as well as the plasma cannons for the closer 36 inch range.

I'll go back to tweaking the list now...


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I took out the plasma guns for the PCS's, and added a single unit of meltavets, with a chimera. Total cost of the list = 1850. Still a work in progress though haha.

2 armoured plasma sentinels are all you need now! Make up the points and keep fire away from your other vehicles

I have to disagree with Nun on the HWSs and Lascannons. Simple fact is that your only long range AT option are Lascannons. The only other real choice for Guard are ACs... you use ACs for AV 12 or less and Lascannons for AV 12+. Everything else is either subpar (MLs) or anti-Infantry only.

Everything else they are pretty spot on.

I would add this in... why even bother having the Chimeras at all in the list? Either list will tear them up fairly quickly so all your doing is throwing away points you could be using to upgrade your army. Use the points to blob up your PISs and add in Commissars, power weapons, melta guns and melta bombs. If anything, add in ACs and use them defensivily to bubble wrap your Manticore.

Get a Lord Commissar and/or Kell to issue the Orders to the HWSs at Ld 10-9. You can even add the Lord to a HWS to give it stubborn. You also make sure all of your HWSs are in cover, because if they are out in the open, or more than 50% of the unit, they are alot easier to kill.

Give your PCS flamers... I like to now and then give them a heavy flamer if I have the points. I also like giving them a Plasma Pistol just for light AT and power armor punch if needed. You may need the Heavy Flamer to effect GKs.

Sentinals suck... BS 3 and even Armored Sentinals are crazy easy to get side shots on. Why spend the 150pts on something that can be taken down by bolter fire and might not even hit when it does get a shot off. I would rather have 2 hydras or 2 AC HWSs.

To be frank, go foot or go Vet Chimera and make sure your heavy slots support that choice. I do not own a GK dex, but I hear they are actually really effective against light vehicles. So Mech Guard, specially dabbling in it, plays into his hands. Really your best option might be gunline blob with a Vet squad or two thrown in kitted out with Grenaders and plasma guns with a HW sitting in cover.

With mass HWS I think a Lord Commissar giving them his leadership bonus is almost a must at 1,850.

Thanks for all the input guys. I guess I'm reluctant to ditch the chimeras entirely, I like having them in the front of my army as early targets, I imagine with a blob squad the manticore or leman russes would become target priority, but perhaps that wouldn't be such a bad thing with the HWS's helping out.

I'm working on incorporating a commissar, is it worth getting Yarrick? Or would a Lord Commissar do the trick?

Joker58 wrote:Thanks for all the input guys. I guess I'm reluctant to ditch the chimeras entirely, I like having them in the front of my army as early targets, I imagine with a blob squad the manticore or leman russes would become target priority, but perhaps that wouldn't be such a bad thing with the HWS's helping out.

I'm working on incorporating a commissar, is it worth getting Yarrick? Or would a Lord Commissar do the trick?

For the leadership bubble, probably just a Lord Commissar. Yarrick is expensive as hell.