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2011/09/10 20:07:30
Subject: Stealth and Cover Saves
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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Hi everyone, I've got a question about the Stealth special rule. A friend of mine is playing IG and he has a unit with Gunnery Sgt. Harker. He has given these guys camo cloaks, which confer the stealth special rule on the unit.
The stealth special rule says that it improves the unit's cover saves by +1. The dispute that we are having is whether or not the unit must already be getting a cover save before the stealth quality will improve it.
I say that the stealth quality gives the unit a 6+ cover save all the time. My friend says that the unit must already be getting some kind of cover save (such as a 6+ cover save for going to ground) before the stealth rule "kicks in" and improves that cover save from 6+ to 5+. He says that the absence of any kind of cover save, due to being on open ground or something, cannot be improved by the stealth rule.
Does anyone know the official ruling? Thanks in advance!
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2011/09/10 20:29:07
Subject: Stealth and Cover Saves
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Stealth improves cover saves. If you don't have a cover save there's nothing to improve.
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2011/09/10 23:11:20
Subject: Stealth and Cover Saves
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Your friend is right in this Case as Lordhat stated; you cannot improve on something you don't have.
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2011/09/11 00:19:48
Subject: Stealth and Cover Saves
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Open ground is not 7+ cover, it is no cover.
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2011/09/11 01:15:42
Subject: Stealth and Cover Saves
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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You get a 6+ for "going to ground" in the open.
Cloaks would improve THAT save to 5+.
They do not grant a 6+ by themselves.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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2011/09/11 05:25:44
Subject: Re:Stealth and Cover Saves
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Krazed Killa Kan
Minnesota, land of 10,000 Lakes and 10,000,000,000 Mosquitos
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Same principle works with Nemesis Force Swords. They improve an existing Invulnerable save, but do not grant an automatic 6+ if the model doesn't have one.
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2011/09/11 06:36:16
Subject: Stealth and Cover Saves
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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What does the FAQ say?
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