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I have some theories about Gork and Mork I woudl like to share.

Gork and Mork are warp gods, but I thinke they are very different than the Human/Eldar (slaanesh) Chaos Gods.

Daemons - Gork and Mork have no need for this, as they can mainifest their green miight in a large waaagh!

Daemon Princes and Formalism - I suspect that Orks have access to platonic forms that exist in the warp. For instance Ghazkull is known about by orks allover the galaxy (Dawn Of War, Gorgutz mentions him). Yet there is absolutely no reason that an ork, who barely pays attention to anything, would know about some ancient ork heroe. Even by oral tradition, for this information to spread across the galaxy by space hulk and randomy traveling roks, it would take too long.

So instead, I think when an ork dies, and gets returned to Gork and Mork, they take the Ork Heroes, Like Ghazkull for instance, and turn them into a form. When a warboss gets bigger and bigger, he get more and more access to these forms (they can be about anything, strategies, enemies, heroes of the orks, technology other orks have seen). Instead of being gifted with stupid things like crab arms and wings, orks get knowledge from Gork and Mork. This would explain why orks can know about things like necrons, and chaos space marines, without even having ever seen them before. Beyond just having genetic knowledge, they can also aquire formal knowledge for other orks in the future if they get big enough.

The Great Game - I suspect that Gork and Mork only go against each other, as they would probably just kick the human gods around in the warp. I say this because there seem to be more orks than followers of chaos. Humans actively resist their emotions, where as orks, in all their numbers can do nothing but act orky. I imagine that if Khorne "attacked" their realm, they wouldn't even notice it.

Beyond this I suspect that they may not be able to conflict with the chaos gods because they are on a different emotional spectrum, so interaction between the human gods and Gork and Mork would be limited.

This is also evidenced by the fact that Chaos followers find orks very uninteresting. In Dawn of War II retribution, Eliphas implies that Khorne isn't as interested in the bloodshed of orks, as they barely have souls. Which would give more creedence to my lack-of-interaction theory.

Gork and Mork appear to be very similar to the Eldar gods in that they are born of the mass ork presence in the Warp, rather than general mortal emotion like the Chaos gods. Unlike the Eldar gods, they don't seem to have much concern for the goings-on of their kin; aside from Ghazzy (who's prophetic claims are of dubious veracity), I can't recall any interactions between the Orks and their Gods. Wierdboyz seem to channel them, but I doubt G&M have any particular say in that.

Khorne et al. are definitely smalltime compared to G&M, from the current Ork codex:

Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh. Gork grins, bears his long teeth, and lands a mighty blow on his adversary's head with a spiked club the size of a comet. Mork, the master of cunning, waits until his foe isn't looking before clobbering him with a low blow.

The nature of Gork and Mork are well documented in GW fluff.

They are true warp gods created by the gestalt orky psychic presense. They represent the Ork race as a whole in the warp. They are two of the most powerful warp entities due to the fact that:
a. they don't create deamons (seperating their power)
b. the ork mind is limited in its interests so it focuses alot of singular emotions into Gork and Mork.
c. orks are very naturally psychic
d. orks are one of thee most populace race in the universe

This is why orks don't often become chaos orks and that ork channeling of belief allows for real world effect (red ones do go faster).

The Titan Legions/Epic fluff had them possessing their Gargants (or investing their presence in them) when they fired up. They came with special Gork and Mork heads with different effects, IIRC.

The fluff mentions them watching avidly when a good WAAGH gets going, but since they took Foot of Gork off the wierdboy list i don't think they direcly influence wierdboys anymore.

Snikrots knives are god-blessed by Mork, IIRC.

Ghazzy is supposedly able to hear Gork and Mork, as their prophet. He could just be stark staring mad though, given the surgeon that patched him up with his shiny new bonce (after which he started hearing voices..) was Mad Doc Grotsnik

Ascalam wrote:The Titan Legions/Epic fluff had them possessing their Gargants (or investing their presence in them) when they fired up. They came with special Gork and Mork heads with different effects, IIRC.

The fluff mentions them watching avidly when a good WAAGH gets going, but since they took Foot of Gork off the wierdboy list i don't think they direcly influence wierdboys anymore.

Snikrots knives are god-blessed by Mork, IIRC.

Ghazzy is supposedly able to hear Gork and Mork, as their prophet. He could just be stark staring mad though, given the surgeon that patched him up with his shiny new bonce (after which he started hearing voices..) was Mad Doc Grotsnik

TBH i wouldn't be surprised if grotsnik had put a radio in his head and is telling him what to do xD

back on topic Gork and mork are pretty much the orks as a whole just their "essence" in the warp if i recall.

Conversion alert....

Now where did i put that vox caster..


And yes. They are the manifestations of raw orkiness.

My guess is Gork and Mork just fight each other all day and thus don't give much heed to the Materium. If they were to unite, then the non-greenskin galaxy would be in trouble indeed. It's a parallal to the Ork race, who are too divided to overrun the Galaxy.

In the fluff, doesnt Ghazkull recieve his adamantium cranium befroe the good doc goes stark raving mad?

That assumes he was ever sane to begin with XD

I think Mad doc went mad after fixing Ghazzy up.

Grotsnik fixed Ghazzy up, then Nobs from all over started wanting the same 'Ard 'ead Ghazzy had. But Grotsnik started putting a self destruct feature in the Nobs skulls.

The Nobs didn't like that so they hired a Killa Kan to kill Grotsnik.

Then, Grotsnik's Grot helpers fixed him up and he became the Mad Doc(largely due to a grot hurling his lunch into his brain pan) and he killed every Nob he had fixed up with the self destruct device.

Whilst doing the rhumba and howling at the moon

He wasn't too sane to start with though, and less so after a Deff dredd lopped the top of his skull off with a buzzsaw...

The orderly grots doing electroshock therapy on him with a grot prod can't ahve helped either, nor the pet spider possibly still roaming around his cerebellum..

Grey Templar wrote:I think Mad doc went mad after fixing Ghazzy up.

Grotsnik fixed Ghazzy up, then Nobs from all over started wanting the same 'Ard 'ead Ghazzy had. But Grotsnik started putting a self destruct feature in the Nobs skulls.

The Nobs didn't like that so they hired a Killa Kan to kill Grotsnik.

Then, Grotsnik's Grot helpers fixed him up and he became the Mad Doc(largely due to a grot hurling his lunch into his brain pan) and he killed every Nob he had fixed up with the self destruct device.

Don't forget about the spider that crawled into his braincase.

BluntmanDC wrote:

This is why orks don't often become chaos orks and that ork channeling of belief allows for real world effect (red ones do go faster).

the only GW background i know of was a few hundred that saw a greater unclean one and thought it was gork (or possibly mork) and started following nurgle. so realy the only time they do is by accident lol