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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman




Minnesota, the southeastern part that time forgot

Here's a situation that recently occured: I had a powerfister in base to base with a vehicle, Straken (with his mad vehicle crushing abilities) in base to base with another vehicle, and a ton of guys with S4 in 2" of both. Straken fails to kill his vehicle, but a ton of S4 attacks downs the powerfister's vehicle. Since the powerfister is now only within 2" of Straken, and not in base to base anymore (vehicle being a wreck) can he attack his vehicle? I played it that way, the logic being that he had no one else to attack by the time it got to his initiative, and he wouldn't simply lose the attacks.

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Violent Enforcer




Panama City, FL

Yes. Any model within 2" of a model in base to base contact counts as an engaged model, and therefore gets their full number of attacks.

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Minnesota, the southeastern part that time forgot

Of course, but the issue we had was that at the beginning of the assault he was obligated to attack his vehicle, but by the time his initiative rolled around there was no vehicle in base to base with him. But since attacks are allocated in initiative order, it only matters what the situation was when his I1 attacks were made, right? There's also that part in the book that says something along the lines of "if you were in base to base at the beginning of combat, and the models in base to base were removed, then the models within 2" of the models that were removed still get to attack when their initiative comes up", does that apply to this situation?

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Chicago, IL

Nocturn wrote:Yes. Any model within 2" of a model in base to base contact counts as an engaged model, and therefore gets their full number of attacks.

The above is only partially true, there are a few more restrictions to abide by in multiple combats.

In the situation listed, the Power Fist would not be able to swing at the other vehicle, since he was in B2B with the vehicle that was wrecked at a higher initiative.

"Working out which models are engaged in combat is done at the start of the fight, and will not change until its end." P.35

Coupled with:
"Models that were engaged with just one of the enemy units at the beginning of the combat (Before any model attacked) must attack that unit." P.41

Tells you that the fist would have to attack what he was in B2B with at the beginning of the combat.

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Minnesota, the southeastern part that time forgot

Alright, thanks Reaper. I had a sneaking suspicion that I did it wrong. I'll have to inform my buddy that I called it wrong...

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Panama City, FL

Unless the vehicles were in a squadron.

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Minnesota, the southeastern part that time forgot

Nope, I should have been more explicit, there was a vehicle and a seperate vehicle squadron. Kell (the powerfister) was base to base with the solo vehicle, and Straken was base to base with one vehicle from the squadron. The solo vehicle got wrecked by a bajillion s4 bayonets.

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Chicago, IL

Nocturn wrote:Unless the vehicles were in a squadron.

This is 100% correct, if the vehicles were a squadron, you would just attack the unit with everyone. Even if one vehicle was wrecked at a higher initiative.

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Violent Enforcer




Panama City, FL

That's where the confusion was. I just assumed they were in a squadron. I probably could have inferred that they weren't though, if I read it slower.

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Minnesota, the southeastern part that time forgot

S'all good. Problem solved, and fortunately I doubt it would've changed the outcome of the game, as all that was at stake was one piranha with weapons left in the squadron....

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