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Example: Say I've got a unit of Chaos Space Marines. I buy an Asp. Champ for them, give him a powerfist, then buy a meltagun and an Icon of Khorne for the unit. It says "any model can take" the upgrades, is there anything preventing me from giving the squad's meltagun and Icon to the Aspiring Champion?

I may not have been as thorough as I should, but I find nothing suggesting that I can't.

Any Model is Any model...

Of course, with how wound allocation works you might not want to do it that way.

Sounds about right to me. Though I don't have the book, so I can't be completely sure.

Magellan - good job that it doesnt actually say that. Well, not entirely.

Icons: "ne model may be given" - so that can be the aspiring champion

Options: (where meltagun, plasmagun etc are options) "One Chaos Space Marine may...."

"A second Chaos Space Marine may...."

In both cases it specifes "Chaos Space Marine", which an Aspiring Champion is not.

So you can give the icon to the champ, but not a meltagun

nosferatu1001 wrote:Magellan - good job that it doesnt actually say that. Well, not entirely.

Icons: "ne model may be given" - so that can be the aspiring champion

Options: (where meltagun, plasmagun etc are options) "One Chaos Space Marine may...."

"A second Chaos Space Marine may...."

In both cases it specifes "Chaos Space Marine", which an Aspiring Champion is not.

So you can give the icon to the champ, but not a meltagun

... it more a question of timing ...

One model may be upgraded to an aspiring champion
so one CSM takes a meltagun an icon and then is upgraded to Aspiring Champion.

... its still a bad idea but If you look at the Ork FAQ a model can take upgrades be for being upgraded.

Sorry, but the Ork FAQ does not set a precedent. It is specific to the case it covers, nothing else.

Ghaz wrote:Sorry, but the Ork FAQ does not set a precedent. It is specific to the case it covers, nothing else.

Thats fine show me where it says i cannot give a model some thing then make him something else. If not show me somewhere (codex/faq/ect) that the opposite has been declared. Otherwise it does show that it can be done that way and that there are no rules against it.

1) Show where you get to decide what order you take upgrades in.

2) Explain why there is a restriction on who can take an upgrade if you can simply bypass the restriction by changing the order.

Seems to me that you're hunting for Easter Eggs.

Ghaz wrote:1) Show where you get to decide what order you take upgrades in.

This is an endless circle, as shown by the orks you can choose what order to give things. If not then the FAQ must be wrong as well.

2) Explain why there is a restriction on who can take an upgrade if you can simply bypass the restriction by changing the order.

Same question with the orks ... might well be the reason they include some upgrade character as standard

For the orks it was simply a mistake - there was no way to have a nob for sluggaz (from memory) otherwise.

Here, there is no issue.

- Do not try to circumvent the language filter. It's there for a reason. -

nosferatu1001 wrote:For the orks it was simply a mistake - there was no way to have a nob for sluggaz (from memory) otherwise.

Here, there is no issue.

- Do not try to circumvent the language filter. It's there for a reason. -

And that's different how? Aspiring Champion has no other way to have a meltgun.

Tri wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:For the orks it was simply a mistake - there was no way to have a nob for sluggaz (from memory) otherwise.

Here, there is no issue.

- Do not try to circumvent the language filter. It's there for a reason. -

And that's different how? Aspiring Champion has no other way to have a meltgun.

Because he's not supposed to be able to have a meltagun. He can however, take a combi-melta.

italiaplaya wrote:

Tri wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:For the orks it was simply a mistake - there was no way to have a nob for sluggaz (from memory) otherwise.

Here, there is no issue.

- Do not try to circumvent the language filter. It's there for a reason. -

And that's different how? Aspiring Champion has no other way to have a meltgun.

Because he's not supposed to be able to have a meltagun. He can however, take a combi-melta.

^This. The codex clearly states what upgrades the champ can take. It doesn't say the champ can have a meltagun so he can't have one, in the same way it doesn't say he can have a lascannon, or a daemon weapon, or a nuclear missile with laser beams attached to his head.

Of course that's all irrelevant because why on earth would you want to stick all your special weapons and icon on one guy. 10 man squad, you take 10 wounds, one goes on your champ, you fail his armour save and your left with 9 bog standard marines. That would be very silly.

Tri wrote:

Ghaz wrote:Sorry, but the Ork FAQ does not set a precedent. It is specific to the case it covers, nothing else.

Thats fine show me where it says i cannot give a model some thing then make him something else. If not show me somewhere (codex/faq/ect) that the opposite has been declared. Otherwise it does show that it can be done that way and that there are no rules against it.

the ork codex was badly writen the faq in this case compesated for the faux par for shoota boy mobs. the chaos codex specifically states csm and and any model so in that case i would say that he cant.
to be fair why would you want to the champ is a much better close combat model hes better of with power weapon and pistol or a power fist.