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Hi guys, my LGS is making another torunament and due to the success i got from posting my 1500 list for the past tourney (got 2nd place due to Tzeentch hating me and giving me 4 perils of the warps on my Daemon Princes), i decided to post my 1850 and see if i can get some suggestions.

So here it is:

HQ
Daemon Prince – MoN, Wings, WT
Kharn the Betrayer
Greater Daemon

Troops
CSM x10 – Champ w/PF, IoCG, 2xflamers, rhino w/combi-melta
Plague Marines x10 – Champ w/PF & Combi-melta, 2xplasmas, rhino w/combi-melta
Khorne Berzerkers x9 – Champ w/PF, rhino w/combi-melta

Heavy
Oblies x3
Defiler w/2 ccw
Defiler w/ccw & RA

TOTAL 1850

Pretty straight, hope that my enemy decides between shooting at the defilers or the DP, maybe kharns rhino even. Kharn will ride with the 9 zerks (still not sure if i should charge with all of them or move kharn away from the squad), CSM to support mid table, Plague for objectives, oblies and the defilers helping me with the long range stuff.

Im not a huge fan of defilers I think its better to run two obliterators than it would be to run one defiler but thats just my opinion. A second deamon prince and all those obliterators will still force your opponent to decide which is more important to deal with. I think you need an additional troop choice for objective holding/daemon summoning because you really dont want to lose a Champ with a PF to the Greater Daemon if you dont have to. Down below I wrote a list that you might want to consider that still has the core of what you were going for.



HQ
Daemon Prince – MoN, Wings, WT 175
Daemon Prince – MoS, Wings, Lash 155
Greater Daemon 100

Troops
CSM x5 – Champ, 2xflamers, rhino w/combi-melta 145
CSM x5 – Champ, 2xflamers, rhino w/combi-melta 145
Plague Marines x8 – Champ w/PF & Combi-melta, 2xplasmas, rhino w/combi-melta 309
Khorne Berzerkers x10 – Champ w/PF, rhino w/combi-melta 295

Heavy
Oblies x3 225
Oblies x2 150
Oblies x2 150

TOTAL 1850

y0disisray wrote:Im not a huge fan of defilers I think its better to run two obliterators than it would be to run one defiler but thats just my opinion. A second deamon prince and all those obliterators will still force your opponent to decide which is more important to deal with. I think you need an additional troop choice for objective holding/daemon summoning because you really dont want to lose a Champ with a PF to the Greater Daemon if you dont have to. Down below I wrote a list that you might want to consider that still has the core of what you were going for.



HQ
Daemon Prince – MoN, Wings, WT 175
Daemon Prince – MoS, Wings, Lash 155
Greater Daemon 100

Troops
CSM x5 – Champ, 2xflamers, rhino w/combi-melta 145
CSM x5 – Champ, 2xflamers, rhino w/combi-melta 145
Plague Marines x8 – Champ w/PF & Combi-melta, 2xplasmas, rhino w/combi-melta 309
Khorne Berzerkers x10 – Champ w/PF, rhino w/combi-melta 295

Heavy
Oblies x3 225
Oblies x2 150
Oblies x2 150

TOTAL 1850

You can't take 2x flamers in a 5 man unit of CSM. to bring a second Flamer, you MUST bring at least 10 CSM.

@Lord Yayula

I like the list you have going on here, and I never see Defilers used enough these days, and see too often people ditching them for dual oblits, so props if you keep them... they CAN be competitive in the right environments.

That being said, I hate Kharn, but if you have decent mileage with him, keep him. Otherwise, if he doesn't perform well enough, trade him out for a second DP or even a Sorceror of your flavor to add a little extra punch to whatever troop unit he rides in.

Regardless of the naysayers, I too prefer to bring PFs or PWs on my Champs in any standard list... would suck to get caught in combat with something that could've been beaten if only I had brought one of those two... that being said, PF/PW Champs of any flavor make bad sacrifice food for a Greater Daemon, points-wise. If you are willing to drop some PFs and maybe add more Champs somehow, I would recommend it. If you can't or won't, I'd rather recommend you just drop the Greater Daemon altogether and bolster the rest of what you have.

The only good CSM is a dead CSM! Jokes.

it seems to be a bit light on infantry is all I could add

You should definitely run 4 Troop choices at 1850.
Save points by dropping the Champ from the Berserker unit, since Kharn can take care of everything by himself.
Save more point by dropping Plague Marine size down to 7 (Nurgle fluff), and dropping the Combi-Meltas from the Rhinos.
Should give you enough points to buy a foot-slogging 10-man CSM Squad to sit on a home objective. Give them an Autocannon to plink Transports.

It may be sacrilegious but Kharne and the greater daemon are flights of fancy. Maybe one or other or neither but not both at this points level.

Indirectly I would push you towards the standard format as that is where your list is heading not that because I am blinded by standard lists.

Plague marines are too expensive for groups of ten, they do not need that many and the champion adds nothing. Now I would go for 6 but 7 is the unholy number of choice.

'zerkers taking a powerfist costs too much, it is a waste if you charge a target that you need it for and you should not need it given the HQ choices. I would go for 8 as your shouldn't need more than that for most uses and to keep things cheap.

I wouldn't bother with the expense of aspiring champion for your chaos marines. Also after whatever changes you make I think you may not want 2 flamers. You have plenty of troop killers including getting out and rapid firing. You may need 2 meltas for this squad. You should save points to get two lots of this squad, as three rhinos and three scoring units is risky. Anymore left over points you can get another plague marine squad.

heavy choices. 3 oblits gives you one tank destroyed. The battlecannon is not the best against tanks. So I think I would for one deff. and then 4,5 or 6 oblits.