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If I have a bunch of regular space marine models that are painted yellow, can I call them Space Wolves?

How about regular marine models as vanilla veterans, as long as there is some way to distinguish them from a regular tac squad. If so, could I just paint the helmet a different color and call that a veteran?

Yes they could also be, BA, BT, DA or even CSM. so long as the equipment matches there's no problem

Tri wrote:Yes they could also be, BA, BT, DA or even CSM. so long as the equipment matches there's no problem

How about using, say a Librarian as a Rune Priest...that seems a bit shaky.

jonahgabriel wrote:

Tri wrote:Yes they could also be, BA, BT, DA or even CSM. so long as the equipment matches there's no problem

How about using, say a Librarian as a Rune Priest...that seems a bit shaky.

? Why ? Both have a force weapon and psychic hood. Mistaking one for another isn't a massive problem.

Also should be noted that the last space wolves codex was actually an add-on to the space-marines codex and that they share most of their minitures any way. Still if you feel bad its only a couple of IC that are different just buy a rune priest and paint him to match the army.

Tri wrote:

jonahgabriel wrote:

Tri wrote:Yes they could also be, BA, BT, DA or even CSM. so long as the equipment matches there's no problem

How about using, say a Librarian as a Rune Priest...that seems a bit shaky.

? Why ? Both have a force weapon and psychic hood. Mistaking one for another isn't a massive problem.

I see your point...I guess the only real differences would be the special characters then.

you can because the space puppies have successor chapters that dont necessarily have all the usual wolf pelts and runes.
so just make up some cool back ground up and it will be ok.

also just point out that your space wolves successor chapter actually knows how to shave

G00fySmiley wrote:also just point out that your space wolves successor chapter actually knows how to shave

Maybe I will call my successor chapter the Yellow Snow Wolves...what do you think?

jonahgabriel wrote:

G00fySmiley wrote:also just point out that your space wolves successor chapter actually knows how to shave

Maybe I will call my successor chapter the Yellow Snow Wolves...what do you think?

Some how that sounds like they've turned to chaos. Why not pick a type of dog that lives in hotter climes. Space Hyenas (wait that's even more chaos ...)

Just to warn you, you will get plenty of nasty looks from other players.

Switching from one flavor of SM to another is typically allowed, but plenty of players look down on it. Partially because they see you as using "the flavor of the month" army, and partially out of envy that their xenos army isn't able to switch to a more powerful codex whenever it feels like it.

Grakmar wrote:Just to warn you, you will get plenty of nasty looks from other players.

Switching from one flavor of SM to another is typically allowed, but plenty of players look down on it. Partially because they see you as using "the flavor of the month" army, and partially out of envy that their xenos army isn't able to switch to a more powerful codex whenever it feels like it.

My Eldar of the warp also get this just because I flip between evil and well technically another type of evil.

Grakmar wrote:Just to warn you, you will get plenty of nasty looks from other players.

Switching from one flavor of SM to another is typically allowed, but plenty of players look down on it. Partially because they see you as using "the flavor of the month" army, and partially out of envy that their xenos army isn't able to switch to a more powerful codex whenever it feels like it.

I just started playing 3 weeks ago and bought a bunch of marines because I thought it would be the most flexible army (plus a buddy at work sold me a bunch for cheap)...I have only played a total of 3 games as Space Marines...I don't think anyone would give me much of a hard time.

Welsh_Furey wrote:you can because the space puppies have successor chapters that dont necessarily have all the usual wolf pelts and runes.
so just make up some cool back ground up and it will be ok.

Space Wolves have only had one successor Chapter, and it was purged by the Inquisition for mutation.


That being said, a Chapter doesn't have to be a Successor to use the same rules. So long as it is clear to your opponent what is what, use whichever codex you want for your home-brew Chapter.

Using, say, the Space Wolves Codex for your Dark Angels may get you some dirty looks, however.

insaniak wrote:Using, say, the Space Wolves Codex for your Dark Angels may get you some dirty looks, however.

Sadly, until the GK codex came out, the Best way to play Deathwing was as Space Wolves... (oh the Irony, the Lion must be turning circles in his stasis pod inside the Rock)...

that said,
My Marines are a DIY Chapter.
They are painted in a Desert Camo paint scheme.
I call them the Desert Angels when played as BA
They are the Desert Dogs when played as SW
And again Desert Angels, when I field DW/RW in some combination.

Since I have over:
100+ Assault Marines
100+ TDA
80+ Bikes
300+ PA Marines
50+ Veterans of all combinations.

I did not want to paint myself into a corner, so to speak, by painting them a standard chapter paint scheme.

I like to vary my playstyle.

Sometimes I want TDA,
Sometimes I want Bikes,
Sometimes I want to have JP's
Sometimes I want a lot of Dreads,
Sometimes I want to Mech it up...

Sadly even with almost 130 TDA, I will need to buy another 60+ to field my Desert Knights. since regular TDA do not stand in for GKT very well...

I play the game for fun, and I suck at painting , so to me a simple Desert Camo works best. Why should I limit myself to having to play an old or poorly designed Codex, just because of the color of my little army men? In my opinion thats just being snobby and elitist.

insaniak wrote:Using, say, the Space Wolves Codex for your Dark Angels may get you some dirty looks, however.

Yeah, but what if you call them Bark Angels?


Thank you. I'll be here all week.

Arschbombe wrote:Yeah, but what if you call them Bark Angels?

Would it kill the mood to point out that wolves don't bark?

Rune Priests don't have psychic hoods.

Space Wolves do not have any live successors.

Your cash, your models. Do what you wish and just make it clear to your opponent.

There is nothing saying you have to paint your marines a certain way, or use a certain codex with them, as long as you use WYSIWYG for the modeling.

There is also nothing saying that the space wolves could not have a undiscovered successor, or undiscovered renegade chapter that you make your own roleplay for.

Grakmar wrote:Just to warn you, you will get plenty of nasty looks from other players.

As a further warning, you will also get plenty of indifferent looks from other players, and you will get plenty of "atta-boy!" from other gamers.

You want to paint your marines however you like but run them with any codex? Ok, make sure you do the following, though:

1)Everything must be WYSIWYG. Bolters are always bolters, flamers are always flamers. Anything else and you won't be met favorably.

2)Make it absolutely clear which codex you are running before the game starts and point at all the units, identifying them. After that, if your opponent somehow thinks you are running SW with a vanilla librarian instead of a RP, it is clearly his fault.

Marines in power armor are marines in power armor. The paint that they put on it doesn't affect anything, nor does the furs, tabards, or cloaks.

-cgmckenzie

Tri wrote:

jonahgabriel wrote:

G00fySmiley wrote:also just point out that your space wolves successor chapter actually knows how to shave

Maybe I will call my successor chapter the Yellow Snow Wolves...what do you think?

Some how that sounds like they've turned to chaos. Why not pick a type of dog that lives in hotter climes. Space Hyenas (wait that's even more chaos ...)

The Jackals?

And in regards to the OP I run Space Wolves, but they're all painted black, grey and red. You can paint them however you please.

insaniak wrote:
Using, say, the Space Wolves Codex for your Dark Angels may get you some dirty looks, however.

You certainly would from me! It'd make my ritual Lion and the Wolf duel so much more confusing...

cgmckenzie wrote:You want to paint your marines however you like but run them with any codex? Ok, make sure you do the following, though:

1)Everything must be WYSIWYG. Bolters are always bolters, flamers are always flamers. Anything else and you won't be met favorably.

2)Make it absolutely clear which codex you are running before the game starts and point at all the units, identifying them. After that, if your opponent somehow thinks you are running SW with a vanilla librarian instead of a RP, it is clearly his fault.

Marines in power armor are marines in power armor. The paint that they put on it doesn't affect anything, nor does the furs, tabards, or cloaks.

-cgmckenzie

1) Yep...I am doing it this way. I have spent around $200 on bits in the last couple of weeks. I am planning on magnetizing everything except for my basic bolter marines and scouts.

2) Will make sure to do this as well.

How about veterans, can I use a different paint scheme on normal tac squad models as long as the weapons are represented correctly?

I'd basically treat it as though you were using a proxy army, unless some effort had been made to give it an individualistic feel as is in the spirit of the 'dex. I'd even be ok with Chaos models being used as they fit in with the savage wargear options pretty well.

I would recommend using some shoulder pad markings to denote the squads for vets. Another method that the Codex Astartes recommends is laurel wreaths around the helmet of veterans, different colored helmets, or banners.

-cgmckenzie

I use some metal SW figs for vets in my 'Nilla Marines, with the Sgt model as my Chaplain, My FC is an older Mephiston model. Heard no complaints yet.
As for just differing the paint, older paint guides had Vet helmets painted differently.

insaniak wrote:

Welsh_Furey wrote:you can because the space puppies have successor chapters that dont necessarily have all the usual wolf pelts and runes.
so just make up some cool back ground up and it will be ok.

Space Wolves have only had one successor Chapter, and it was purged by the Inquisition for mutation.


That being said, a Chapter doesn't have to be a Successor to use the same rules. So long as it is clear to your opponent what is what, use whichever codex you want for your home-brew Chapter.

Using, say, the Space Wolves Codex for your Dark Angels may get you some dirty looks, however.

that does mean that you cant go beyond the current background and have a new successor chapter from the space wolves


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and if you decide to put a few chaos marine bits in they could be a variation on the 13th company

Hmmm.... have to check the SW 'dex, but.... SW based chapter that uses lots of MLs, jump packs, power/chain swords and thunderhammers....... with rabbit ears as their symbol.....

Here is what I am doing...

I am using a (Mustard Yellow/Olive Drab) Paint Scheme for P/A Troops. Also a lot of Robes painted in a Desert Sand color. TDA is alos Desert Sand, while all my bikes are Black.

Bolter Marines are split into 4 Groups,
I painted the Shoulderpads red,blue,and green to be able to denote different companies.

Special Weapons all have Grey Shoulderpads.

Heavy Weapon marines all have Black Shoulderpads.

Assault Marines, I have no shoulderpads on most of them, I think it looks more streamlined like that. So their shoulders are same color as their armour.

Veteran Troops all have White Helmets.

About 50 or so have magnetized Back/Jump packs. Eventually I hope to magnetize at least all of my Assault Troops. so about 150 will have magnetized packs. This makes fielding a BA army DOA/Razor very easy to do. (the hardest part is keeping all the magnetic poles consistent)

For Basing I do a simple sand and rock base.

When I am making an army list to play in a big tournament, I will Paint the Ring around the base a different color for each squad, or add a alpha-numeric indicator to denote squads.

With this system, I can easilly mix and match Bolter,BP&CS, SW, HW troops as needed to form just about any type of squad I could possibly need. While allowing them to have a simple and easy to understand color coded system. It has a basis in the system used on an aircraft Carrier on the flight deck. You can look at a squad and just about instantly see what it can do, by the colors.

I havent made any DC yet, but I definately think they should be wearing 'Red-shirts'...

Landrain wrote:Here is what I am doing...

I am using a (Mustard Yellow/Olive Drab) Paint Scheme for P/A Troops. Also a lot of Robes painted in a Desert Sand color. TDA is alos Desert Sand, while all my bikes are Black.

Bolter Marines are split into 4 Groups,
I painted the Shoulderpads red,blue,and green to be able to denote different companies.

Special Weapons all have Grey Shoulderpads.

Heavy Weapon marines all have Black Shoulderpads.

Assault Marines, I have no shoulderpads on most of them, I think it looks more streamlined like that. So their shoulders are same color as their armour.

Veteran Troops all have White Helmets.

About 50 or so have magnetized Back/Jump packs. Eventually I hope to magnetize at least all of my Assault Troops. so about 150 will have magnetized packs. This makes fielding a BA army DOA/Razor very easy to do. (the hardest part is keeping all the magnetic poles consistent)

For Basing I do a simple sand and rock base.

When I am making an army list to play in a big tournament, I will Paint the Ring around the base a different color for each squad, or add a alpha-numeric indicator to denote squads.

With this system, I can easilly mix and match Bolter,BP&CS, SW, HW troops as needed to form just about any type of squad I could possibly need. While allowing them to have a simple and easy to understand color coded system. It has a basis in the system used on an aircraft Carrier on the flight deck. You can look at a squad and just about instantly see what it can do, by the colors.

I havent made any DC yet, but I definately think they should be wearing 'Red-shirts'...

Yah, I have already run into the poles issue with the magnets...what I do, is take an existing model that has already been magnetized, then take the magnet I am going to attach to the weapon/arm/etc, stick it on the existing model and then mark on the back of the magnet with black sharpie. When I glue on the magnet, the sharpie colored side gets the superglue.

The biggest problem I am having now, is that I have a glut of AoBR marines (50ish) and they aren't really very flexible. I have converted one already by shaving off the arms and using arm/weapon bits from other kits, but that is a pain. Still cheaper then buying more models I guess.