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Had this come up in a recent battle. I was told that since my units personal heavy bolter (Sgt Harker) was a heavy weapon, it could not be fired after the figure moved since "it was a "heavy weapon",it needed to be set up". If that is so, does a heavy flamer need to be set up because it is a heavy weapon and because it has "heavy" in its name?

Kinda curious on this one.

pretty sure a heavy flamer is vehicle only weapon or assault weapon

All flamers or equivilents are Assault weapons that i know of, despite the heavy in the name.

Best bet is to look at the profile:

Template, S 5, AP 4, Assault 1 - it's an assault weapon, and can be fired on the move.

Heavy bolters are Heavy weapons on their profile, and so cannot move and shoot unless mounted on a vehicle.

ok
So if I run Gunnery Sgt Harker, who does have a heavy bolter, he is NOT allowed to move then shoot?

Pay attention to Harker's special rules, specifically Relentless whick is explained on page 76 of the main rulebook.

Normally you can't fire any weapon with Heavy in the statline.

Relentless lets you fire Heavy weapons on the move, and some models can also do so as part of their rules, such as Necron Heavy Destroyers.

In short, he can shoot and scoot, but most people toting a Heavy Bolter have to stand still.

looking through the rulebook, I see that a storm bolter is listed in the IG weapons listing. Who or what is allowed to carry one?

They're mounted onto vehicles's pintle-mounts.

ok, so not individual carriesm only vehicle.
darn
ok, cool
thanks gang

And Yarrick has one.

Sergeant has relentless, as said. Also, can't a normal commissar get a storm bolter?

You can only take weapons that the entry in the back of the codex (the one with the points values and unit sizes) says that you can.

If the entry for commisar says you can take a stormbolter and lists a points cost then you can, otherwise no.

In short:
Assault weapons and units with relentsless special rule can move and shoot with no problems. Since (Sgt Harker) has relentless rule he can move and shoot with his heavy bolter wepaon.

Harker does have one problem though... Relentless allows him to move, shoot and assault - but his unit lacks it and can't assault if Harker shot.

Spetulhu wrote:Harker does have one problem though... Relentless allows him to move, shoot and assault - but his unit lacks it and can't assault if Harker shot.

If you try to read it that way then harker cannot fire if the unit moved at all.

The Heavy weapon shooting/assaulting rules deal with the unit moving or shooting; relentless states that relentless models countermand this, but only where the relentless models themselves are concerned. If you think harker can move and shoot with his unit, then they can assault as well so long as the non-relentless models do not fire any weapons that prevent firing.

The unit can assault if they do not fire their rapid fire or heavy weapons. If the unit is equipped with nothing but Assault weapons(i.e. shotguns), or those with rapid fire/Heavy weapons do not fire but harker himself does; they can assault.

The last line in relentless also does 2 things:

1) it only concerns ICs, which Harker is not one.

2) Even within the scope of the Relentless IC firing a Heavy/Rapid-fire weapon, so long as the rest of the unit does not do so; they may assault. It is worded fairly poorly, but this is what that line means.

It's worded differently in Heavy and Rapid Fire weapons (BRB pg 28/29). Heavy prevents the unit from assaulting, RF prevents the model. Relentless only allows the model with it to ignore the resstrictions. Being an IC or not has no bearing - Harker shoots, his unit can't assault despite him being Relentless.

It might not be intended but that's what the rulebook says. I'm open for negotiation in a friendly game, ofc.