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Can I start a unit in reserve while deploying its dedicated transport (or vice versa)? How does this interact with Dawn of War deployment?

You can deploy a dedicated transport, which is a unit, whilst keeping the unit it was bought for in reserve

For Dawn of war you can deploy up to 1 HQ and up two 2 Troops units.

Remember that a unit of infantry and their transport are two separate units at all times.

Hmmm.

In Dawn of War, can I deploy two dedicated transports (bought for Troops) without deploying the units inside?

That is correct. In fact, if you deploy two dedicated transports, you can't deploy the units inside.

Remember the definition of "Unit" and Unit types on P. 3-4

Dawn of War lets you deploy up to two troop units.

so you can deploy a unit of infantry and its dedicated transport as your two units.

Or you can deploy two dedicated transports and nothing else, since each dedicated transport is a unit of one vehicle.

Which is awesome for orks btw ..

Deploy 2 tooled up battlewagons, and a kff mek next to them

Well i like it, anyway..

Ascalam wrote:Which is awesome for orks btw ..

Deploy 2 tooled up battlewagons, and a kff mek next to them

Well i like it, anyway..

Can't do that.

Only way for a battlewagon as a troop transport is for nobz units; and the only way for 2 Nobz obs to be troops is if you have 2 Warbosses, which leaves no room for a KFF Big Mek(in standard missions, Standard codex)

Aaaand this is why i need to drink more caffiene...

You're right.

Substitute one battlewagon for a Deff Dredd

Where does is state that Dedicated Transports are considered troops if they are taken for a troops choice? I can't find that anywhere in the rulebook or in the FAQ.


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Nevermind.... I just found it.

So all this time I've been seeing people play Dawn of War wrong... everyone I've seen play it deplor two troops, two dedicated transports, and an HQ. Hmmm I've never realised this...

Ascalam wrote:Aaaand this is why i need to drink more caffiene...

You're right.

Substitute one battlewagon for a Deff Dredd

one warboss, one big mek, One unit of nobs as troop and their dedicated battle wagon = One unit of Nobs in a battle wagon with a kustom force field ready to have some fun

It also equals two HQ units, which would be illegal in DoW...

insaniak wrote:It also equals two HQ units, which would be illegal in DoW...

never said you deploy him. He's need to make the Nobs troop and should field with another unit.

Thaanos wrote:So all this time I've been seeing people play Dawn of War wrong... everyone I've seen play it deplor two troops, two dedicated transports, and an HQ. Hmmm I've never realised this...

Also, watch out for some armies HQ choices. Often times, players will deploy their HQ and the HQ "bodyguard" unit. That's technically 2 HQ choices and isn't allowed.

Examples:
Farseer and Warlocks
BA HQ and Honor Guard

I'm not clear about Hive Tyrant plus Tyrant Guard. They can be two units, but if you join them, they're only a single unit, much like a retinue. Anyone got an answer on this?

Grakmar wrote:I'm not clear about Hive Tyrant plus Tyrant Guard. They can be two units, but if you join them, they're only a single unit, much like a retinue. Anyone got an answer on this?

Tyrant is one unit that can join to tyrant guard units. So two units.

Retinues on the other hand (rare thing to see these days) count as a single unit.

Tri wrote:

Grakmar wrote:I'm not clear about Hive Tyrant plus Tyrant Guard. They can be two units, but if you join them, they're only a single unit, much like a retinue. Anyone got an answer on this?

Tyrant is one unit that can join to tyrant guard units. So two units.

Retinues on the other hand (rare thing to see these days) count as a single unit.

However at the end of deployment it is a SINGLE unit, not at all like a retinue - as the HT is never ever ever ever an IC.

So you can deploy a HT+TG as a single unit, but not as two separate units

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Tri wrote:

Grakmar wrote:I'm not clear about Hive Tyrant plus Tyrant Guard. They can be two units, but if you join them, they're only a single unit, much like a retinue. Anyone got an answer on this?

Tyrant is one unit that can join to tyrant guard units. So two units.

Retinues on the other hand (rare thing to see these days) count as a single unit.

However at the end of deployment it is a SINGLE unit, not at all like a retinue - as the HT is never ever ever ever an IC.

So you can deploy a HT+TG as a single unit, but not as two separate units

??????? Slightly confused by you post nos ... Tyrant is a unit and tyrant guard is another unit. It's the same as deploying two troop choices and attached character and saying that they don't count as they are part of the troop unit. You can have a tyrant or tyrant guard not both.

I have regularly put a Tyrant + Guard as a single HQ unit in DoW.

I have since come to the conclusion this is illegal.

I feel like a dirty cheater.

/cry

Yeah - the TG are a separate unit that the Tyrant can join kind of like an IC (but is not required to) - but if he joints he can't leave, etc. Since they're 2 units, you can't deploy them both in DoW.