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Just what the title says, can you guide a fireprism's blast, or are you limited to the G weapons the eldar have only?

Did I miss a FAQ? since in 4th ed. blasts didnt scatter.. the blast just hit or it missed. Did eldar guide get hosed with the 5th ed.?

The fire prism's weapon is a blast weapon. Guide allows you to re-roll failed rolls to hit. In the BRB, it states that blast weapons with re-rolls, must re-roll both the scatter die, and the 2d6 for distance if it misses. So, if you choose to guide a fire prism, it would re-roll both the scatter die, and the distance dice if the scatter die rolls a miss.

It's just useless to guide two or more prisms where they are combining (because linking fire makes it a twin-linked shot, and you wouldn't be able to get another re-roll on top of that from Guide.)

chromedog wrote:It's just useless to guide two or more prisms where they are combining (because linking fire makes it a twin-linked shot, and you wouldn't be able to get another re-roll on top of that from Guide.)

yep better to doom the target.

Also, it's important to note that Guide does not cause the weapons to be TL. It only re-rolls misses. So, any template weapons that get Guided get no benefit.

Grakmar wrote:Also, it's important to note that Guide does not cause the weapons to be TL. It only re-rolls misses. So, any template weapons that get Guided get no benefit.

... never noticed that it only mentions guess range weapons ... Meh its a left over from 4th i guess, as you blast used to roll to hit and not scatter. If I was to guess they would FAQ that blasts reroll scatter but till they do RAW blast weapons (that are not guess range) don't benefit from guide.

Tri wrote:

Grakmar wrote:Also, it's important to note that Guide does not cause the weapons to be TL. It only re-rolls misses. So, any template weapons that get Guided get no benefit.

... never noticed that it only mentions guess range weapons ... Meh its a left over from 4th i guess, as you blast used to roll to hit and not scatter. If I was to guess they would FAQ that blasts reroll scatter but till they do RAW blast weapons (that are not guess range) don't benefit from guide.

Guide certainly does work for any blast weapon. Guide lets you re-roll any failed to hits. If you roll the scatter die and don't get one of the 2 Hit symbols, you've failed to hit and can re-roll.

It's just template weapons that guide does nothing for.

Grakmar wrote:

Tri wrote:

Grakmar wrote:Also, it's important to note that Guide does not cause the weapons to be TL. It only re-rolls misses. So, any template weapons that get Guided get no benefit.

... never noticed that it only mentions guess range weapons ... Meh its a left over from 4th i guess, as you blast used to roll to hit and not scatter. If I was to guess they would FAQ that blasts reroll scatter but till they do RAW blast weapons (that are not guess range) don't benefit from guide.

Guide certainly does work for any blast weapon. Guide lets you re-roll any failed to hits. If you roll the scatter die and don't get one of the 2 Hit symbols, you've failed to hit and can re-roll.

It's just template weapons that guide does nothing for.

Interesting but what counts as a miss? Not rolling a hit on the dice is not always a miss ... If you hit a single model is that not a hit? but then what if the models are your own?

Still I'm thankful that this has never been an issue in a game simply played it the same as TL

Tri wrote: Interesting but what counts as a miss? Not rolling a hit on the dice is not always a miss ... If you hit a single model is that not a hit? but then what if the models are your own?

Still I'm thankful that this has never been an issue in a game simply played it the same as TL

Guide doesn't care about misses. It only cares about fails to hit. The scatter die has 2 faces defined as hits. So, if you don't roll one of those, you must re-roll scatter (even if you ended up scattering zero inches).

It simply says you may re-roll the scatter die. It says nothing about the need to roll anything specific to allow the re-roll.

A TL-template weapon would re-roll to wound. Guide does not TL merley allows re-rolling misses. Blast marker =/= template

Just to set the record straight on this.

- Yes you may guide a Fire Prims to gain a reroll to hit. THis is very useful for Eldrad and 2 prisms.

- Yes guide allows you to reroll the Scatter Die AND the 2D6 (you can't just reroll one or the other)

- If the scatter die is not a "hit", then you did not roll a hit and may reroll, but you are not FORCED to reroll as the wording is "may".

Question:

"When firing blast weapons, models do not roll to hit" and yet you can re-roll to hit rolls with blast weapons because the "unit re-rolls any failed to hit rolls"?

I think I am missing something.

kirsanth wrote:Question:

"When firing blast weapons, models do not roll to hit" and yet you can re-roll to hit rolls with blast weapons because the "unit re-rolls any failed to hit rolls"?

I think I am missing something.

Exactly my line of thinking too. The whole thing is confusing. Now comon sense would say. It was allowed without question in 4th edition because blasts you just placed the template and rolled to hit using the BS of the firer. If you didn't roll high enough you simply missed and guide would allow a reroll. The second part about guess ranged weapons allowed for a reroll of the scatter dice because guess weapons and ordinance scattered much like they do now. (except for the distance part, BS vs 1 or 2 dice) .


Now jump forward to 5th ed. Blasts wording has changed. "When firing blast weapons, models do not roll to hit ,instead just pick one enemy model visible to the firer and place the blast marker" but later goes on to say........

"In these cases hits are worked out as normal, and can hit units out of range and sight"

"all models whose bases are completely or partially covered by the blast marker are hit"

"Once the number of hits inflicted on the unit have been worked out, the firer rolls to wound as normal"

Then theres the whole thing about the scatter die having a HIT symbol on it as well....

....... yet you are rolling to hit.. thanks GW for the sloppy writing..

So basically blasts (non-guess range any way) can reroll failed to hit rolls, so if anything is hit (friend or foe) then something has been hit and you cannot reroll. Except there isn't a roll to hit ... meh sloppy GW writting again .... I feel that no ones going to be playing that way and just keep treating it like TL.

If Its guided you re-roll the scatter.

BRB Page 30 under the title "Blast weapons and re-rolls"

"If a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls to hit and chooses to do so after a firing a blast weapon, the player must re-roll both the scatter dice and the 2D6."

Avatar 720 wrote:BRB Page 30 under the title "Blast weapons and re-rolls"

"If a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls to hit and chooses to do so after a firing a blast weapon, the player must re-roll both the scatter dice and the 2D6."

^^^This^^^

Which is basically what I said earlier in the thread without quoting the rule directly.

Avatar 720 wrote:BRB Page 30 under the title "Blast weapons and re-rolls"

"If a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls to hit and chooses to do so after a firing a blast weapon, the player must re-roll both the scatter dice and the 2D6."

Thank you, I knew I was missing something.