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Sorry to bring this up but I couldn't find it after many searches.

Can you block in a squad and then tank shock them to destroy them? I would say a thousand times no but I want to be able to explain to the person who thinks this why it doesn't work. Tank shock doesn't say anything about units being destroyed if they have no where to go.

If they fall back and have nowhere to go they would be destroyed as per the Trapped rule.

If they don't fall back, there is no rule that says that they are destroyed, so they are not.

So if say a squad is surrounded by multiple vehicles and then tank shocked does the vehicle stop when the squad can't move anymore, or do they squeeze out behind the tank that is shocking?

Would it be any different for skimmers?

If the squad passes the moral check and can not get out of the way, the tank may not move there, as there is no room to place the vehicle model. A tank shock can never kill a unit by itself.

Incorrect. The tank finishes whatever move was declared for the tank shock and the models that would wind up under the tank are moved the minimum amount necessary (under it, behind, whatever is required) to make room for it.

don_mondo wrote:Incorrect. The tank finishes whatever move was declared for the tank shock and the models that would wind up under the tank are moved the minimum amount necessary (under it, behind, whatever is required) to make room for it.

This is right, it's silly it works this way but thems the rules lol

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

don_mondo wrote:Incorrect. The tank finishes whatever move was declared for the tank shock and the models that would wind up under the tank are moved the minimum amount necessary (under it, behind, whatever is required) to make room for it.

This is right, it's silly it works this way but thems the rules lol

No more silly then only one model being able to DoG ...
Fire dragon Excharch "Bob Stop that tank"
Bob " but sir if we all shot it wouldn't stand a chance"
Excharch " Bob how many time must i tell you only one of us can have the honour"
... and that's how bob died crushed under a raider that made it flicker field save ...

don_mondo wrote:Incorrect. The tank finishes whatever move was declared for the tank shock and the models that would wind up under the tank are moved the minimum amount necessary (under it, behind, whatever is required) to make room for it.

Would quote the corresponding rules? As far as I can tell, there aren't any. Mind that the rules you are referring to do not allow models to move through enemy models.

At the link below which is to the local store's forum there is an image of 4 Wave Serpents surrounding a unit with a 5th intending to tank shock them. They would have no where to go so what happens?

http://splinterfaction.bigforumpro.com/t4463-stop-tank-shocking-people-to-death-it-s-not-legal#43089

Shinkaze wrote:At the link below which is to the local store's forum there is an image of 4 Wave Serpents surrounding a unit with a 5th intending to tank shock them. They would have no where to go so what happens?

http://splinterfaction.bigforumpro.com/t4463-stop-tank-shocking-people-to-death-it-s-not-legal#43089

Had this debate ... Tank shock happens in a straight line ... tank shock stop if you would hit a friendly unit (,enemy vehicle or other impassable terrain). Since you tank shock in a straight line there is no way to jump over the other skimmer so you would stop before landing on them.

Shinkaze wrote:At the link below which is to the local store's forum there is an image of 4 Wave Serpents surrounding a unit with a 5th intending to tank shock them. They would have no where to go so what happens?

http://splinterfaction.bigforumpro.com/t4463-stop-tank-shocking-people-to-death-it-s-not-legal#43089

Assuming you can skim over the intervening models (some say yes, some say no), then the TSed models would move the minimum distance necessary to get out from under the TS vehicle. If this means they move under/past a second vehicle as well, then so be it.

"Then so be it" is actually breaking the rules. Models may not move through other models not involved in the tankshock to clear the way, thus the tank shocking model can not be placed where they are and thus may not tank shock there.

Models in this situation would most likely end up in the path the tank shocked.. behind it.

The tank shock rules state something to the effect that models underneath must be moved the shortest distance to maintain coherency. Could someone quote the actual rule?

I infer from this that
a. You cannot tank shock a unit out of coherency. This may mean some weird unit movement may happen.
b. Per the rules, units must be moved somewhere. In the event they were completely surrounded, they would be moved the shortest distance. This may mean going around or through enemy units.
c. You cannot tank shock units off the board either.

Except that forced movement still has to abide to the movement rules, meaning not moving through other models, staying away 1" from enemy models and no moving through or into impassible terrain.

JD the rules for what to do to get out of the way of a TS don't say you are not allowed to move over/under/through another vehicle. The do allow you to move to get out of the way though. Not allowing the vehicle making the TS to move the distance stated would aslo be breaking the rules.

Odd that this was never put in a FAQ. It has come up more than once over the years.

Mostly due to people jumping onto stuff with skimmers though, which is illegal in the first place.

Jidmah wrote:Mostly due to people jumping onto stuff with skimmers though, which is illegal in the first place.

Seriously? Your bringing this up again?

I had a similar thing happen where a squad had disembarked from a LR and got tank shocked on one side by a rhino pushing them all in front of the LR. It ended up ramming the LR but no damage either way. In front of them 1" away was a squad of terminators (shooty) and the gap between the terminators and the rhino did not allow for an enemy model to pass between. The terminators continued around so that there was just enough room for my teammates (doubles game) rhino to tank shock the squad again. His rhinos final position made it so that the squad had to go somehwere but it coudn't because of the blocking enemys.

We didn't know what to do. We were not given permission to count the squad as destroyed and it had to move but coudn't. Ultimately this is a spot where there is no "correct" answer as the game mechanics simply break. A TO would have to decide what happens, and since this was a friendly game we just agreed to reduce the tank shock so they could all fit.

Akroma06 wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Mostly due to people jumping onto stuff with skimmers though, which is illegal in the first place.

Seriously? Your bringing this up again?

I had a similar thing happen where a squad had disembarked from a LR and got tank shocked on one side by a rhino pushing them all in front of the LR. It ended up ramming the LR but no damage either way. In front of them 1" away was a squad of terminators (shooty) and the gap between the terminators and the rhino did not allow for an enemy model to pass between. The terminators continued around so that there was just enough room for my teammates (doubles game) rhino to tank shock the squad again. His rhinos final position made it so that the squad had to go somehwere but it coudn't because of the blocking enemys.

We didn't know what to do. We were not given permission to count the squad as destroyed and it had to move but coudn't. Ultimately this is a spot where there is no "correct" answer as the game mechanics simply break. A TO would have to decide what happens, and since this was a friendly game we just agreed to reduce the tank shock so they could all fit.

Skimmer jumping blockages causes problems ... normal tank shocking doesn't. Lets look again at the rule ... Tank charge suspend the normal rule that you cannot move through units "If the unit passes the test the tank moves through them as if they were not there", "If the tank would end its move on a unit falling back or not move them the minimum distance". So we have two (or more) models sharing the same space or rather two units sharing the same space. Since we're all ready moving units through one another why stop till they've finished?