Blood Angels 1500pts

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**JohnnoM**

I've never used them before and I'm thinking of getting in to them. Heres the list:

Commander Dante 225pts

Elites:
Termi Assault squad 200pts (5)

Furioso Dreadnaught 125pts (blood talons)

Troops:
Sanguinary Guard 225pts (5)(death masks)
Sanguinary Guard 225pts (5)(death masks)
Death Company 250pts (5)(jump packs, all chainswords swapped for power weapons)
Scout Squad 180pts (10)(sniper rifles, camo cloaks, missile launcher)

Any changes/improvements?

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Can anyone give me some feedback?

**Looks Infected**

its a very scattered list

its looks like you want to do the gold host which is fine dont get me wrong but you have some unnecessary units if so

dc shouldnt be in any list thats not all dc... jp dc are to expensive to begin with

ba termis are one of the worst sm termies sadly

they dont get any buffs other termies get (ex: da, bt, C:sm) for sake they dont even free hammers

scouts are meh they're to bitter taste for me unless you enjoy them sitting on an obj getting blown to hell from fire support, scratch them for more sg

now to follow your other choices

furiosos with talons are absolute monsters at horde control but if your going gold scratch them for it gives your opponent to control his anti-mech fire at

the sg should never take masks, fluff overrides this but why pay 25 points for a half-working debuff test, instead take 1-2 pistol and 1 pf each squad

**JohnnoM**

New list:
Dante 225pts

Sanguinor 275pts

Sanguinary Guard 230pts
2 Plasma pistols
1 power fist

Sanguinary Guard 230pts
2 infernus pistols
1 power fist

Sanguinary Guard 230pts
1 infernus pistol
1 plasma pistol
1 power fist

attack bike squad 120pts

attack bike squad 120pts

Rhino 70pts
Dozer blade
Extra armour

How bout this?

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Still looking for feedback

**Looks Infected**

better but still not the best

i forgot to specify but infernus pistols are key here for tank hunting therefore should take two, scratch plasma for all the right reasons

attack bikes arnt the greatest they're better saved for more units

the sanquinor is unnecessary try a jp libby instead, he gives you cover saves off the bat so they dont end up wasted

the rhino is a bit confusing what exactly is it for? and in any case should never have that many upgrades to begin with

with the attak bikes, sanquinor replaced with a libby and rhino gone you have an extra 460 points to play with thats literally two more units of sg

after about 5-6 troops buff them by running priests then work your way into vv, devastators and hg

**JohnnoM**

changes:
Dante 225pts

Sanguinor 275pts

Sanguinary Guard 230pts
2 Plasma pistols
1 power fist

Sanguinary Guard 230pts
2 infernus pistols
1 power fist

Sanguinary Guard 230pts
1 infernus pistol
1 plasma pistol
1 power fist

Razorback 115pts
twin linked lascannon
extra armour

Razorback 115pts
twin linked lascannon
extra armour

rhino 80pts
extra armour
dozer blade
stormbolter

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sorry didnt see your post dude.

Dante 225pts

Librarian 140pts
Jump pack
infernus pistol

Sanguinary Guard 230pts
2 infernus pistols
1 power fist

Sanguinary Guard 230pts
2 infernus pistols
1 power fist

Sanguinary Guard 230pts
2 infernus pistols
1 power fist

Sanguinary Guard 230pts
2 infernus pistols
1 power fist

that leaves 215pts, what should I use it on?

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I was thinking maybe another squad of sanguinary, without the two pistols.

**MrEconomics**

If you want to do the mass SG thing, the last list is probably the best of the bunch. However, you're going to have horrible problems against vehicles as it currently stands.

What I would probably do is either take a bunch of MM Attack Bikes, or maybe a better idea would be cutting something to take 3 squads of Devastators, each with 4 Missile Launchers. At least that way you can deal with the pile of transports that's pretty common these days. One way would be cutting the Libby and some wargear; the three squads cost 390 total.

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By the way, the more standard way to do this sort of thing is to avoid SG and Dante, taking squads of 10 Assault Marines with 2 Meltaguns and a Power Fist instead. You support them with some JP equipped Priests, and then either the Devastators or Vanguard Veterans at 1500 or above.

Whatever you do, the rule of thumb is: Either all vehicles (everything is a vehicle or in a vehicle) or no vehicles. Hybrid lists are probably the easiest way to take a disorganized mess, besides doing a DC heavy list at least.

**JohnnoM**

Dante 225pts

Librarian 125pts
Jump pack

Sanguinary Guard 230pts
2 infernus pistols
1 power fist

Sanguinary Guard 230pts
2 infernus pistols
1 power fist

Sanguinary Guard 230pts
2 infernus pistols
1 power fist

Sanguinary Guard 220pts
1 infernus pistol
1 power fist

Devastator Squad 120pts
3 missile launchers

Devastator Squad 120pts
3 missile launchers

what about this?

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Still looking for advice.

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Can someone please answer?

**Looks Infected**

That looks way better

Devs are good try to squeeze another missle on each squad and a jp priest (just one for now)

And you have a handsome list

**JohnnoM**

Cant, thats 1500pts already.

**Looks Infected**

For 1500 keep it as is

The only suggestion I can come up with is take out one squad for two priests or 1 priest and another dev squad

Try to have them at 4 missiles each squad

**kyranzor**

How is a list full of power fists, krak grenades, and melta pistols/plasma pistols going to have problems with vehicles? Thats absurd.

You deepstrike down, and fire either 'run' to scatter, or fire the meltapistols (infernus pistols..) to pop the nearest transport/tank. Sang guard come with jump packs obviously, so dont feel like its bad to drop behind line of sight blocking terrain, and kind of 'wait a turn' before jumping OVER the terrain and pouncing on the enemy. You have a very large movement and assault radius, so try to deepstrike in out of range of their weapons/assault, and then get them the next turn.

Any vehicle you touch, with a list using power fists and all marines come with krak grenades, you will destroy, or stun/shake/immobilise without a problem.

Always make sure YOU get the charge, not the other player. So, follow my advice above on your deepstrike deployment. Play cat and mouse. YOU are the cat dammit!

**racta**

The problem with vehicles stems from fast skimmers I think. Going to be tough to hit on a 6 if they move fast, and the limited range on the pistols will hurt you also. 9 fast skimmers circling and pelting you will eventually take SG down.

Those ML's will go a long way to stopping or stunning low AV vehicles so the SG can eat them up.

I personally dislike the look and feel of devestators, what if you were to replace them with rifleman dreads, or ML/TLAC dreads? I know you are tossing AV into a marine army, but the reality is that they will need to use their low ap weapons to kill off SG too. And your firepower will be more mobile, if easier to quiet. I think I will playtest this soon to see what its like.