Falco wrote:What about switching some of the TH for LC? That would free up a few points to be spread around elsewehere. You could add a Lascannon to the Dev squad for example.
TH/
SS is free.
LC doesn't work with vulkan.
Atomic Rooster wrote:It's pretty flavourful, but nothing is terribly wrong with it.
Oddly, each and every unit is something that I'd never use. With that in mind, I'm just going to list what I wouldn't do:
-too many TH/SS when you could have a TH & LC mix
you're in no position to answer if you don't use an army like this.
Atomic Rooster wrote:
-combi-meltas combined with flamers? I'd go meltagun Combi melta in one and flamer combi flamer in the other.
-dozer blades on all the Rhinos? seems like a bit much.
-I've tried that dev loadout many times and even when they do well, they barely pull their own weight. They're only reliable at killing transports. With that role in mind, I'd put ML in the tac squads.
-Hunter Killer missles - I don't think are good value.
So, the only thing I really think you should change is the combi meltas. The rest is pretty original. It's as if you've made an entire list out of the units that I consider a bit weak, but playable. With so many such choices, I honsestly don't know how this list will fare in a tourny - what I mean is, it might be really good. Let us know.
- that's stupid. it leaves you open to getting stuck with flamers against tanks. he should go combiflamer meltagun all in both squads.
how many tanks do you take out with a meltagun in a single game? two, maybe? flamers are reliable against horde, especially when twin-linked, so he is in a good position in my mind.
- dozer blades are five points. rhinos are 35 points. For them, you can almost freely surprise your enemy by moving through all terrain.
- I just hate
devs altogether. get another predator at those points.
- Hunterkiller missiles are terrible. agreed.
Almarine wrote:I disagree with atomic rooster.
-TH/SS are the best, who needs LCs
-riflemen, an obvious choice
-use melta/combiflamer instead of flamer/combimelta so you can fry more vehicles and you won't miss your combi no matter what
-okay dozers are kind of weird
-typhoons of course, best unit there is, even in a vulkan list
-I've tried devs and they're generally decent... but there's almost always somewhere nice to put them so why not
-HKs idk, they're alright if you have nothing else to get.
-MM in tacsquads, obvious with vulkan
- agreed
- agreed
- they're a good idea. you're weird.
-typhoons should be a single killpoint, don't you agree.
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devs don't make up a good kill. they're too easy to stop firing, especially against scarabs who swarm them. very annoying.
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MM is annoyingly short-ranged. I prefer lascannon. it has a better firing output, and it is only ten points.
OverwatchCNC wrote: I feel like you are trying to do a static gunline type army with regular Marines which is fine but Vulkan isn't the right character for that. If you want to go the static gunline route take out Vulkan/TH/SS terminators, put in a MotF with Conversion Beamer, and 10 regular terminators with 2 CML or Sternguard with 2 LC. I personally would go the Terminator route, you put them in cover that is bolstered by the MotF and they have a 2+3+ cover, can move and shoot missiles, and are an effective counter assault unit. If you are going to use Vulkan play to his strengths. Lots of up close melta and flamers, ML spam isn't really going to benefit from him that much.
- vulkan is fine for that.
- you're wrong on so many levels.
- again, you're wrong.
- no.
I run a Vulcan list with 3 predators. I have thunderhammers and meltaguns, and then multimeltas on tanks and combiweapons on sternguard
Vulcan works fine for me. I must admit, I don't waste my points on devastators, but he works.
MOTF is really good on a bike with conversion beamer. he's not worth 160 points.
terminators are not more effective with 2
CML. trust me, I have this. they work well, but there needs to be assault terminators to deal with
MC. shooting DOES NOT always deal with 3 trygon primes.
Don't tell him what you would do, tell him what he should and will do.
it doesn't help him if you're telling him nothing about him.
now, as for the list.
-dump devastators
-typhoons in one squad.
consider a land raider with redeemer.
the rest is up to you.
if you want some help, here is my 2k list, it won me a 3/4 games in our last tournament.
Vulkan he'stan
195
5/x thunderhammer terminators
[split into two squads] - 200 points
land raider redeemer, multi-melta, extra armour, dozer blade - 270 points
4x
tac squads
4x meltaguns
4x lascannons.
740 points
4x razorbacks
2x lascannons [
TL]
3x predators
Lascannon sponsons
360 points
total:
1995
I'm not telling you to use my list, I'm telling you to take what you can from it.
it works well. no matter what theories it ignores.
1800 
550 
Then he got trampled in the incoming stampede! 
