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This came up at a game last week. The general FAQ says psychic shooting attacks require a BS test to hit but murderous hurricane specifically states you get 3d6 HITS while Jaws states models touched by its line simply take the initiative test. The PSA BS test seems pretty intuitive regarding powers with weapon-like profiles (like Fury of the Wolf Spirits) but there was a discussion as to how it affects these two powers as their rules ignore most of the usual ones.

If you would have searched you would have found multiple threads involving JoTWW needed to hit. There are 2 sides to it, just check with your TO or opponent beforehand for JoTWW.

However MH needs to hit with the 3d6 shots to do d3 ap- dmg, however he does not need to hit/wound etc to make them treat all terrain even clear both difficult and dangerous. ( he doesnt even have to be within range)

Oh god, not this again.

-dives for cover-

<text redacted; even if you are trying for sarcasm, Rule #1 applies. --Janthkin>

the answer to both questions is yes, you have to roll to hit. with jaws, you only have to roll to hit the first guy. its in the FAQ

I would say that Murderous Hurricane doesn't roll to hit because it says you inflict 3D6 hits

This circumvents the general rule that PSAs all roll to hit.

Grey Templar wrote:I would say that Murderous Hurricane doesn't roll to hit because it says you inflict 3D6 hits

This circumvents the general rule that PSAs all roll to hit.

I'm looking in my Rule book for Murderous Hurricane ... fail

GW FAQ'd what happens if MH misses though

Here we go again. This question has been asked, argued, debated, screamed over, and thread locked 3-4 times already. If it hasn't been faq'd yet, your best bet is probably to roll off in friendly games, and ask the the guy in charge during tournament play.


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However, to be more helpful:

GW Space Wolf faq
Q. Does Murderous Hurricane require the power to hit or
wound its target to affect them? (p37)
A. No, a targeted unit is affected by Murderous Hurricane
even if the power fails to hit or wound.

also

Q. Does Jaws of the World Wolf require line of sight?
Does it ignore terrain that blocks line of sight (i.e.,
impassable terrain)? (p37)
A. As a psychic shooting attack, Jaws of the World Wolf
requires line of sight. The Rune Priest must have line of
sight to the first model that the power affects – in effect he
is treated as the target mode; the power just happens to
hit everybody else on its way through! (I added the bold)

Looking at these faq's, I would say definitely no for having to roll for MH, and probably yes for rolling to hit for JoTWW.
Having said that, excuse me while I run away from the coming rules debate .

Phiasco II wrote:Having said that, excuse me while I run away from the coming rules debate .

You can't use my hiding place....I found it first.

Oh boy this should be fun.

Nungunz wrote:

Phiasco II wrote:Having said that, excuse me while I run away from the coming rules debate .

You can't use my hiding place....I found it first.

Darn it! In that case, let me re-utter the immortal words of Michael J Caboose...
"oh crap oh crap oh crap, running running running!"

GW Space Wolf faq
Q. Does Murderous Hurricane require the power to hit or
wound its target to affect them? (p37)
A. No, a targeted unit is affected by Murderous Hurricane
even if the power fails to hit or wound.

If the power can fail to hit then a to hit roll is required.

What would be the point of rolling? The unit is affected whether the hit roll hits or misses.

If it's hit it takes 3D6 Str3Ap- Hits, and treats all terrain even clear, as difficult and dangerous

And if it misses the target unit suffers the same effect. So why bother with the roll in the first place?

Leo_the_Rat wrote:And if it misses the target unit suffers the same effect. So why bother with the roll in the first place?

No if it misses it does not suffer the same effect.

If the power hits the unit takes 3D6 Str3Ap- Hits, and treats all terrain even clear, as difficult and dangerous.

If the power misses the unit only suffers from the "treats all terrain even clear, as difficult and dangerous" effect.

Yes/No.

Search and find which argument you like best, discuss with your opponent beforehand, and/or ask you TO before the tournament.

My interpretation is this:
1. With Jaws, you have to roll a "to hit" die, but the result doesn't matter because it takes effect either way
2. With Murderous Hurricane, you have to roll to see if you get to do the wounds, but the movement effect takes effect either way.

To save a bunch of typing, I'll just link to my rather lengthy explanation as to why:

http://www.theruleslawyers.com/2011/09/rulings-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-and-rolling-to-hit/

Hope this helps!

-GK