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I read a post somewhere here on dakkadakka where someone mentioned this and I wondered what other 40k players thought about it? I mean I think it would make sense being that Malal based armies should be more elite based than your average space marine/chaos space marine army. Your thoughts?

No. It makes no sense, whatsoever.

Malal was a God of Chaos who went against the concept of Chaos. Nothing within that would associate him with "super Marines".

I don't follow the justification for this. Could you elaborate a bit on your reasoning?

I've seen several posts with people saying that Malal based armies tend to be more elite based. Like they would send in their troop choice to be more or less a distraction while the more elite units are the true core of the army. Now, as I am fairly unfamiliar with Grey Knights, I'm going to go with what I see on GW for the rest of this. On GW I see that GK Termi's can be used for both elite and troop, so I guess you could throw 2-3 squads of Arco-Flagellants to be distractions (presuming that they're not that strong, like I said, I'm pretty unfamiliar with GK) and then deepstrike GK Termi's in the rear of your opponent to make their life miserable. So I guess you could say I'm asking if GK have the general build for a Malal army.

Link to one of these posts.

Considering Malal has been retconned...
I mean you could do it if you wanted, but the fluff wouldn't make much sense...
Unless you were using the codex as counts as...

They're your models, you can do what you want with them. You don't need some strangers over the internet to tell you what you can and can't do with your models.

Using an elite loyalist book to portray an elite traitor force?

Hell yeah!

Just got a problem of some unit choices such as no preds, defilers and vindicators and you can't use storm ravens and other stuff existing after the heresy.

curtis wrote:Using an elite loyalist book to portray an elite traitor force?

Hell yeah!

Just got a problem of some unit choices such as no preds, defilers and vindicators and you can't use storm ravens and other stuff existing after the heresy.

I see what you mean but from what I understand, Malal forces rarely have vehicles anyway. so no biggie.

NOTE: I'm just asking about it, not actually (well, not yet at least) planning to do this.


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As for the quote someone wanted

kenshin620 wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Use codex spaze marines or blood angels..

Vanilla marines for chaos? Unless they're just renegades I think they dont have enough "chaosy" elements. Space Wolves or Blood Angels fit though. Hell....to a lesser extent grey knights even (they might make good malal cults)

here's one of them, actually the most recent one I've seen

Malal cult? So... Chaos Grey Knights?

Why is it that whenever GW puts down an absolute hard rule, i.e. "grey knights = incorruptible", there always a fixation on finding some justification to break it, however small, minute, or tangential?

No, it makes no sense. Malal doesn't exist anymore, and even then, why are GK following a Chaos god, regardless of his particular orientation? They don't NEED to follow him, and he's a shining example of the EXACT thing they're trying to end. It makes about as much sense as insisting you have a secret 11th brotherhood of Knights devoted to the Squats. See, they were commissioned by a radical Inquisitor from Ordo Xenos to protect the remaining Squats (and more importantly, their technology) from any sort of corruption.

Also, I'm up to $40 pledged to create a all daemon counts-as IG army that for no reason decided to uncorrupt themselves and pick up lasguns in the name of the Emprah!

Hang on...
Is this a Chaos GK thing or a Chaos force using the GK codex and counts as?

@daedulus

I'm not saying so much as corrupted GK but using their codex to field a Malal/Malice cult, so count as. As for Malal not existing... well, rumor has it that he'll be back as Malice so we can hope can't we? lol Love you sig by the way.

King Pariah wrote:I'm not saying so much as corrupted GK but using their codex to field a Malal/Malice cult. As for Malal not existing... well, rumor has it that he'll be back as Malice so we can hope can't we? lol Love you sig by the way.

He won't be back. The person who owned Malal left the company, and owned the rights to Malal.

evil grey knights is a silly of a concept as Dark Eldar for the greater good.

ok so yes while you CAN think it might be possible, does it make any sense?

if you look into what the grey knights REALLY do, they aren't peaches and cream. they will attack any faction, any chapter, and enclave, anyone except the emporer, if they feel there is chaotic corruption. period.

whats really annoying is this concept that the grey knights are good to begin with. what is "good"? the will slaughter entire planets to rid oit of chaos without mercy, without compassion and no prisioners. there is no redemption, there is no atonement there is no retribution, only death.

face it people, for all intents and purposes, the grey knights ARE evil. they just have a purpose.

is it because they're silver that everyone assumes goodness? thats conditional formatting and you guys need to elarn how to read the subtexts going on here.

for the record, I am a HARDCORE GK fan, have been since they were relased when I worked at GK.

that being said, I HATE the new codex actually. but its the game and thems the RAW. so I will play because I still very much enjoy the game.

but back to my point, this concept of "good" and "evil" is VERY relative.

King Pariah wrote:I'm not saying so much as corrupted GK but using their codex to field a Malal/Malice cult. As for Malal not existing... well, rumor has it that he'll be back as Malice so we can hope can't we? lol Love you sig by the way.

Alright then you should be shiny...

Gray Knights are incorruptibly so it doesnt really make much sense, but they are your models so no one can really tell you you can't do it. you might get some crazy lore freaks, nerd rage all over you if you play outside of a friends group.

This is a counts as army.

King Pariah wrote:@daedulus

I'm not saying so much as corrupted GK but using their codex to field a Malal/Malice cult, so count as. As for Malal not existing... well, rumor has it that he'll be back as Malice so we can hope can't we? lol Love you sig by the way.

Oh! Sorry. That changes things. Let me elaborate on my personal stance on it:

Saying you have Chaos Grey Knights and painting them black/red and putting spiky bits on them and 'blood' on all the weapons = Bad.

Using the Grey Knight codex to count-as another army = Sure, if you want. As a matter of fact, one of my friends is has thought about using it to more faithfully represent Thousands Sons. Just make sure everything is represented reasonably.

I guess I have to take $10 out of the Daemon IG jar now.

There is no Malal in 40k. You may as well be asking if it would be ok to play Grey Knights as an Ewok army.

purplefood wrote:Considering Malal has been retconned...
I mean you could do it if you wanted, but the fluff wouldn't make much sense...
Unless you were using the codex as counts as...

Didn't he make a reappearance in some Fantasy novel?

I personally love the idea of Malal and see no reason why GKs couldn't be used as his marines that have thus far escaped his parasitic nature (and thus racked up quite the veterancy).

Sons of Malice are an allusion to the whole Malal thing (as well as the old dreadaxe daemon weapon in the 3.5 dex)and there's a short story in the Heroes of the Space Marines about them that further strengthens this idea. Malal might be gone but the lesser chaos god Malice is certainly his replacement.

As far as GK used for SoM or something similar, sure why not. I don't think it fits as well as CSM, SW or some other MEq but its workable.

There is the possibility that the purifiers are keeping Matal imprisoned, so them serving him is a possibility. for a parallel- void dragon and techpriests of Mars.