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Hey guys,
This is an attempt at an army list which I've made, it has bits of dwarf, empire, etc, so I've based the points off of those two armies (mostly empire)
I'd love your input on this army, the fluff and everything (The fluff is a bit thin, but its the best I can think of at the moment to include Wellesley).
Particularly I'd like your help with the spells list, I have base ideas but since I normally play dwarfs, I cant really judge what the casting values should be or if they are OP, what order they should be in, and all that jazz.

If you guys seem keen I'll post magic items (which will be more 'lucky' items, and instead of things to boost spell power theres 'runners'...it'll make sense when you read it) and special characters (I have 3 in mind).

Thanks guys, I can't wait to hear from you, even if you are tearing it to shreds (within every criticism there is learning to be had!...and a grudge lol jks)
K

Now this, I like! Easy enough to field a big army for cheap with the Perry Brother's and their plastic British Naps.

Something I've always wanted to is a combination between Napoleonics and Fantasy - lines of foot infantry, with accompanying Battlemages and Healers and such.

Any thoughts on doing a French army?

Umm...well.....seems kind of an odd choice of army theme. Also whoowee 3 whole pages of special rules and a little bit of a 4th, ouch. Most armies have only one or two at the most.

Seems a bit boring though, its a gunline essentially. Not too many people like going against gunlines. To make it a bit more interesting I'd say make it a Pike and Shot army so you can at least have more dedicated CC units like pikemen and lancers (and also fit it in better with the fluff, an off shoot of Dogs of War)

@infinite
Well I could do a French one, i guess they'd have 1+ artillery units (old nappy loved his gros ferres) [i spelt that wrong i know but eh], conscript infantry as well as competent line, no riflemen, better cav.....but then they'd be french, and wouldn't have old Nosey!!
@ken yeah I know it has a lot of special rules, but without them I think it'd be too similar to empire, and its close enough as it is already!
And i know the gun line issue, but I can't really think of a way around it. You see...I'm in love with that time of warfare, not the english civil war kind (where there were more mixed units of pike and shot and all that). Its meant to be they went through a magic portal on the way to belgium to fight at waterloo. If i changed it to a more mixed army, well, they wouldnt be goddamneds! (thats not swearing mods, that was one of the things redcoats were known as, im pretty sure).


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Actually, that looks bad, makes it seem like i took only compliments from infinite and ignored the criticisms...oops

I guess I could run a kind of free company thing, which would add to the CC side of it, make them cheap or 1+ so that they have to be taken. Or i could make grenadier companies easier to take with their GWs and all that, or alter their weapons to be pikes or something, I guess it doesn't have to be too accurate, I mean, I am including magic after a fashion lol. Do you know what the rules for pikes are ken? Thanks for your help
K

I like it.

Cheers teth

Before reading it, I'm going to guess there are ward saves and KB.

NOPE!

So at least because of that, I give you 3 stars.

I'll say though that Heavy Armor is essentially platemail. If you're trying to recreate...well, redcoats, no one had heavy armor. They were redCOATS not redplates, it was just way too expensive, even late in the game. I saw a few woodcuts when guns were first invented, of knights using them in armor, but that was insanely rare. Gunlines didn't have heavy armor. They didn't have any armor, really. That's why they were gunlines. The Napoleanic stand and shoot that warfare became, with the ending bayonete rush, no one had armor. Dwarfs have that whole heavy armor shooty thing down. But if you're trying to be historical, the brown besses of the, say, 100 years war, were wearing a ceremonial gorget and some brass buttons over wool.

But as you stated, really most of this can be done with Empire with a little imagination. There are games that go into the Nth degree about these historical armies and that's what they are good at. I remember I wrote an expansion for an RPG a long time ago and the publisher wrote back, "you're trying to make a simple game too complicated," and that was the publisher. There's nothing wrong with being simple and catch-all (though I thought so at the time).

I.e., you can make Empire Archers, Handgunners, Crossbowmen all gun-wielders of slightly different type. You could make Beasts or Life or Heavens Lores be a "counts-as" of Tactics, with like Casandra's Comet being some kind of mortar barrage, etc. But it's really hard to balance an entire new set of rules, spells, whatever. Not that you shouldn't ever try, but I just don't know if you need to

ha im glad I dissapointed you in the KB department. I figured most little musket balls would not insta-kill people, and I could have given it to riflemen if I felt like they should be silly, but I like the superstitious idea more.

And I know the heavy armour is out of place, but without it there is no way that the army can attack, with heavy armour and GWs it gives them some option for counterattack or even advancing, i dunno. I guess I could drop the heavy armour, heavy cav, and add units of cacadores and guerrilleros. Then it'd be a light infantry division kind of.


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And I know I don't need to, I just needed some way to procrastinate hardcore while I was at uni, and this seemed appropriate

If you're going to make it historical, then make it historical and and price it accordingly. Those gunlines were truly gigantic.

I could, but then it has no option apart from gunline. I would like it to have more than the one dimension, even if it isn't as historical as it could be. Besides, if they want the heavy armour on grenadiers, they gotta model bearskins!! should of made a french army so they had to model curls and moustaches too haha
If I was trying to make a perfectly historical thing, I would post further down after learning about all that flames of war thing.

I like it.Great idea for an army even if I am Irish:/

ha theres an irish unit in the specials, the iniskilling. they were tough as hell at waterloo, hence the immune to psychology/+1T. and always remember, Wellington himself was Irish (of a sort)

So the other guys walk towards you and you shoot? And that's the army list?

No no, you have it all wrong. I asked for constructive criticism. key word there being constructive. But thank you for your input. Very helpful.

And I made it to be close to the redcoats, and while i know heavy armour on troops isn't, neither are hordes of close combat troops running towards the enemy.

What would you recommend? I mean actually helpful this time.

If I could make a bit of a suggestion:

Instead of Light Cavalry and Dragoons, I would suggest using Hussars (Light Cavalry) and Cuirassiers (Heavy Cavalry).

An issue I have with your Dragoons is that dismounting effectively takes away the very thing that makes them useful - their ability to move quickly.

Cuirassiers is what the French cavalry were called I'm pretty sure, but yeah, more period specific names is a good point, I have black watch and coldstreamer guard, I should have done it for the cav as well.
And the idea behind that dismounting thing meant that they could advance and occupy a building very quickly, or if there is a hole in the lines redeploy and block it as an infantry unit (well ranked up and all that jazz). And yet if that didn't happen, they could still be used in the role of cavalry to either harrass with carbines or charge into flanks and what not. But yeah, mb not...I just can't think of another way to do them as dragoons, you know? Do you have some ideas I could *ahem* borrow? lol

infinite_array wrote:Now this, I like! Easy enough to field a big army for cheap with the Perry Brother's and their plastic British Naps.

Something I've always wanted to is a combination between Napoleonics and Fantasy - lines of foot infantry, with accompanying Battlemages and Healers and such.

Any thoughts on doing a French army?

The french are bretonnians

The english had grenadiers during imperialist period. I'd consider including them.

I've made an Option for the empire book to this effect, I think it'd work here

I think the book needs a lot less special rules, and they need to be given more concisely. If you want to go and playtest this, you need to recognise that most people will be put off by 'thanks for agreeing to playtest against my army now please read and remember 20 odd special rules'.

Second up, you need to do a lot to break this list out of being 'just another gunline'. The game has no shortage of lists that can be made into gunlines, and they're almost entirely boring lists, because the game just isn't modelled around that style of play. The best option might be to consider writing rules for muskets that don't make them just like handguns. Perhaps drop the range to 18", make them move & fire with no penalty, and instead of 'best in numbers' give the +1 bonus for stand and shoot. This way they might end up most effective if they can goad the enemy into charging them. Meanwhile the enemy will try to pick them off from range with their own ranged weapons, or charge their flanks, or bypass them entirely to strike at their cannons.

Exalt this post if you love Britain and its redcoats