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Constantin Valdor WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv 250 points
8 5 5 5 4 5 5 10 2+
Unit composition: Wargear: Special Rules:
---1 (unique) ---Artificer Armor ---And They Shall Know No Fear
Unit type: ---Jump Pack ---Combat tactics
---Infantry ---Frag and Krak Grenades ---Fearless
---Furious Charge
---Independent Character
---Favor of the Gods
---Descent of Angels
---un-yielding will
---Eternal warrior
Options:
---May take either “The Workers Hammer” or “The Farmers Sickle” at no extra points cost
The Workers Hammer
A thunder hammer that strikes at initiative 2 and strength 10. It also does an additional d3 armor penetration.
The Farmers Sickle
A power weapon that follows the same rule as lightening claws, in addition for each successful unsaved wound, you may make another attack. This effect is cumulative.
Favor of the Gods: as if held by some omnipotent force, Valdor seems to be able to dodge and react to attacks even before they come to him. Valdor benefits from a 4+ invulnerable save.
Un-Yielding will: teeth clenched against un-imaginable pain, Valdor refuses to yield no matter the odds. Even if Valdor dies, he still makes one last final attack that hits automatically.

seem fair to you guys?

If he's a space marine, his stats should be S4 and T4. There is no reason why he should be stronger or tougher than many characters already in the various codices with S4/T4. Only the absolute strongest and toughest warrant S5/T5, which is the realm of daemon princes to put it in perspective. WS 8 is also too much, I'd drop it to 7.

Honestly, any space marine special character should start from the standard Captain stat line and only add points if you really want to make him expensive. So if you buff his WS, attack value and wounds, you're already looking at a really expensive character with basic wargear, let alone a super thunder hammer or super power weapon. If you keep the wounds and attacks as is, he could be reasonably priced at about 250pts, but I'd play it safe and bump it up a little to 260-265 with his special rules.

The farmers sickle is overpowered, assuming it works like blood talons in C:BA. There's no need to bring in another weapon into the game that makes a mockery of hordes. Just make it an equivalent to a pair of lightning claws that can re-roll hits and wounds.

Just my thoughts, but as your rules stand, he'd be worth 300+ points.

*EDIT* Just saw eternal warrior...yeah...if you want him to be around 250pts, you should drop that as well.

I'd say he's a bit undercosted, perhaps 275? I think a free thunderhammer which doesn't necessarily strike last and auto-rends (basically) could just cost some points and you could leave him at about 250. Also, aren't custodian jump packs kind of a one boost wonder? I think in the HH book I read he uses a teleporter or jump pack, why not make it kind of like the GK interceptors, but just give him the one jump. He will move as normal infantry, but he can leap around once a game to hit something juicy.
And he's a cool character. But fluff...wasn't Valdor a custodian? the highest custodian? Shouldn't he have a bad-ass halberd-bolter hybrid, or even a sword...I've never seen in any fluff a custodian bearing a hammer, but my fluff knowledge doesn't go as far back as some people here.

he is part of the adeptus custodes so i thought t5 and s5 would be fair. i think ur right about the ws though
and i LOVE the idea of a 1 jump jump pack, very rough and brutish. buuuutttt...... rly kinda kills his playablity (i play him in an army playing with blood angel rules)
also in my fluff hes moved on from the adeptus custodes. hes grand comrade of the new red army
i assume alot of my fluff contradicts with canon stuff. but PFFFF its just a game right? haha
also in comparison to mephiston he still seems to fight fairly, his one addition is the jump pack and inv save, but his stat line is nowhere near mephiston's

Oh right I didn't realize you had moved him over to Blood Angels, wondered why he had Descent of Angels. That's cool then. And it can be a jump pack which allows him to benefit from DoA, then one jump. And I think with that hammer/those uber lightning claws mixed with furious charge you can lay smack down on wherever you jump, then just walk through waist high torrents of blood till he's eventually taken down. Which sounds really cool I want to play him in a game ha

Compare your stats to the Sanguinor and go from there. He's 275pts with an inferior weapon, one less wound and attack, better strength and eternal warrior. I'd use him as a base and go from there, but he's 275pts.

yeah i think i need to do some chopping... :( hrmmm any suggestions. ws7 wounds 3 would be my start...

Blacksails wrote:Compare your stats to the Sanguinor and go from there. He's 275pts with an inferior weapon, one less wound and attack, better strength and eternal warrior. I'd use him as a base and go from there, but he's 275pts.

Are you kidding? This thing's weapons are way more powerful than The Sanguinor. Str 10 that hits before powerfists is pretty good. Str 10 that Auto-Glances AV 12 and has a better than 50% chance of penetrating AV 14?
Why not just use the Sanguinor instead? The only thing you're missing is your silly op weapons and the on death attack, which does not sound all that useful to begin with.

Take away IC, make him S4, T4. Take away un-yielding will. take away 1 wound (3 total)

keep WS 8

(custodes weren't any tougher than SM just better at 1v1 combat)

Heck take away ALL his attacks and give him a rule similiar to GK Brotherhood Champions for attacks. Just no HS.

The custodes are not astartes so I don't think they'd follow the same 4/4/4 statline. They're created in a similar fashion but space marines are a simplified and cheaper version of them.

Valdor
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
8 5 4 4 4 3 5(6) 4 10 2+
Unit Composition:
Infantry
Wargear:
Artificer Armor
Frag and Krak Grenades
Bolt Pistol
Gladius and Broadsword
Master-crafted Relic Blade

Special Rules:
Weapons Specialist: Constantin Valdor must choose which weapons he is striking with at the beginning of each assault phase, and may not divide his attacks between them until the next round.
Gladius and Broadsword: A matched pair of master crafted combat blades, they grant Valdor +2 attacks instead of the normal +1 for double ccw, and allow him to strike at +1 initiative.
Master-crafted Relic Blade: A weapon whose hits are resolved at strength 6 and which does not grant the bonus attack for double ccw, but increases his invulnerable save to 3+ in close combat.

Master Duelist: At the beginning of every assault phase, Valdor must choose to either gain +1 attack, or to decrease the amount of attacks models in base contact with him have by 1 to a minimum of 1. In addition, any 1's on the to hit table rolled by opponent models results in an immediate riposte by Valdor in the form of a S4 hit on the enemy unit.

Emperor's Finest: Custodes are the epitome of martial perfection, and all of their training is bent on readying for single combat against enemy leaders. If Constantin Valdor is in base contact with an enemy Independent Character, he must direct at least 50% of his attacks rounded up towards that model. Valdor also rerolls all to hit and to wound rolls in close combat.

God of War: Valdor and any unit he has joined may choose to automatically pass or fail any leadership or moral check they are called upon to take.

To be honest, your character is pretty over-the-top... his stats are much better than your average marine, but you haven't given any real fluff reasons to explain this (you mention Mephiston, but at least he has some justification... and I'd rather fight Mephiston than your verson Valdor). You've also given him some ridiculously powerful options that make him nigh-unkillable. Here's my suggestions to make him more fair (looking at him from a Blood Angels perspective):

Constantin Valdor
Cost: 275pts
WS: 6
BS: 5
S: 4
T: 4
W: 4
I: 5
A: 5
Ld: 10
Sv: 2+

Unit Composition: 1 (unique)

Type: Infantry

Wargear: Artificer Armour, Jump Pack, Frag and Krak Grenades, Worker's Hammer, Farmer's Sickle

Special Rules: ATSKNF, Combat Tactics, Fearless, Favour of the Gods, Descent of Angels, Unyielding Will, Eternal Warrior

Rules:

Worker's Hammer: The Worker's Hammer counts as a Thunder Hammer that strikes at S10.

The Farmers Sickle: The Farmer's Sickle counts as a lightning claw that provides Valdor with +1S.

Favor of the Gods: Valdor is able to dodge and react to attacks even before they come to him, as if he was being controlled by a higher power. Valdor benefits from a 4+ invulnerable save.

Unyielding will: Teeth clenched against un-imaginable pain, Valdor refuses to yield no matter the odds. If Valdor is slain in close combat, he still makes one final attack against the foe who slew him before he is removed from play. Valdor may use either the Worker's Hammer or Farmer's Sickle for this final attack, which hits automatically.

That seems pretty interesting!

ah i should of explained, he can only have ONE weapon, you pick it at the beginning of the game. also yeah he has pro weapons, but it works in my fluff (i rly dont feel like explaning it here its VERY long, i may upload it sometime)
and i believe what has been said last is fair. but i would rather the sickle cause more wounds then more damage. i like the idea of cutting swaths of lil gribblies. how bout give him a higher initiative and say that he can eather make his normal attacks, orrrr hit everyone automatically in basecontact like gabriel seth. and lets say 3 wounds but T 5. cuz custodes were tougher in a hourus heresy novel it was mentioned they had the build only a bit smaller than a primarch

bu5jocky wrote:ah i should of explained, he can only have ONE weapon, you pick it at the beginning of the game. also yeah he has pro weapons, but it works in my fluff (i rly dont feel like explaning it here its VERY long, i may upload it sometime)
and i believe what has been said last is fair. but i would rather the sickle cause more wounds then more damage. i like the idea of cutting swaths of lil gribblies. how bout give him a higher initiative and say that he can eather make his normal attacks, orrrr hit everyone automatically in basecontact like gabriel seth. and lets say 3 wounds but T 5. cuz custodes were tougher in a hourus heresy novel it was mentioned they had the build only a bit smaller than a primarch

Yeah I noticed that you made it so that he could only have 1 weapon, but I figured that with the changes I was making, you could give him both but only let him use one per turn. Just my interpretation of the character in any case. You can probably get away with I6 and attacking everything in base contact, and T5 but only W3, without him getting too overpowered. If you want the Sickle to be anti-horde though, you shouldn't make the extra hits cumulative since he's probably going to hit on a 3+ against pretty much everything anyway.

i want him to only get to use one weapon per game cuz i modeled him, and the weapon is magnetic soooo i dont want that to go to waste. yeah i think the cumulative wounds is getting to be too much, thanks alot for everyones advice!

bu5jocky wrote: cuz custodes were tougher in a hourus heresy novel it was mentioned they had the build only a bit smaller than a primarch

You mean the Horus Heresy series that stated "Generally, the custodes were larger and more powerful than astartes, but the differences were only noticably significant in a few specific cases. No one would be foolish enough to predict the outcome of a contest between an astartes and a custodes"

Please quote us where it says they are only a bit smaller than a primarch...

oh i definatly cant remember the EXACT quote perhaps i imagined it. anyway around it i assume valdor the leader of the custodes is a little beefier then the average guy. haha even if its not, who cares, its still just a game right


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so to recap his stat line is now
Constantin Valdor
Cost: 275pts
WS: 6
BS: 5
S: 5
T: 4
W: 4
I: 6
A: 5
Ld: 10
Sv: 2+
One weapon per game, sickle is lightening claws and can hit everyone automatically in base contact. the hammer is just s 10


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im sry there are mistakes there, it should be t5 wounds 3