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I was playing my Nob Bikers tonight against a player who insisted that Bikes can assault 12". While I would like this to be true, I looked and found some references in the rule book that might support his idea or not. Please tell me what you think.

Page 33, column 2, paragraph 1, line 1, DECLARING AN ASSAULT: "The maximum MOST units can move during an assault is 6"." This is where I assume my Nob Bikers can only assault 6".
Pg 34, col 1, par 2, line 1, MOVE ASSAULTING UNITS: MOVING ASSAULTING MODELS: "All of the models in an assaulting unit make their assault move following the same rules as in the Movement Phase," This is where he assumes they can assault 12".
Pg 52, col 1, par 2, line 1, JUMP INFANTRY: MOVEMENT: "Jump Infantry can use their jump packs and move up to 12" in the movement phase," BUT
Pg 52, col 2, par 3, line 1, JUMP INFANTRY: ASSAULT: "Jump Infantry assault 6" like normal infantry." They made a distinction between the movement distance and the assault distance of Jump Infantry.
Pg 54, the same distinction is made for the different movement and assaulting distances for Beasts and Cavalry.
Pg 53, col 2, par 1, line 1, BIKES: MOVEMENT: "Bikes can move up to 12" in the movement phase." No distinction is made in the Bikes: Assault section between Bike movement and assault distances, BUT there is no special rule or distance given to overrule the general 6" rule on pg 33.

I hate being a Rulebook Lawyer. I prefer to play in the spirit of the game and not exploit a British fantasy publication for possible logical linguistic deviation. I believe that the intention and spirit of the rules is for Bikes to only be able to assault 6". But if they CAN assault 12", I would really like to know.

Page 33, column 2, paragraph 1, line 1, DECLARING AN ASSAULT: "The maximum MOST units can move during an assault is 6"." This is where I assume my Nob Bikers can only assault 6".

This is the important bit "The maximum MOST units can move during an assault is 6" means all units will assault 6" unless otherwise specified, ie beasts and cav.

Pg 34, col 1, par 2, line 1, MOVE ASSAULTING UNITS: MOVING ASSAULTING MODELS: "All of the models in an assaulting unit make their assault move following the same rules as in the Movement Phase," This is where he assumes they can assault 12".

Yes assaulting units must follow the rules in the section "the movement phase", ie only allowed to move upto maximum distance, random movement, turning a facing, terrain rules and unit coherency. There is no mention of assault movement distance being linked to movement phase movement distance on pg 34.

Pg 52, col 1, par 2, line 1, JUMP INFANTRY: MOVEMENT: "Jump Infantry can use their jump packs and move up to 12" in the movement phase," BUT
Pg 52, col 2, par 3, line 1, JUMP INFANTRY: ASSAULT: "Jump Infantry assault 6" like normal infantry." They made a distinction between the movement distance and the assault distance of Jump Infantry.

Yep that's cause they don't use jump packs when they assault and have to take terrain tests as standard infantry instead of as jump infantry, (basically means they have to take difficult terrain tests to assault through cover and only roll dangerous terrain if the terrain is classified as dangerous) bikes however still move as a bike in the assault phase (no rolling for difficult terrain and dangerous terrain tests for moving through either difficult and dangerous terrain)

Pg 54, the same distinction is made for the different movement and assaulting distances for Beasts and Cavalry.

See first point.

Pg 53, col 2, par 1, line 1, BIKES: MOVEMENT: "Bikes can move up to 12" in the movement phase." No distinction is made in the Bikes: Assault section between Bike movement and assault distances, BUT there is no special rule or distance given to overrule the general 6" rule on pg 33.

Covered in all other points but to recap, assault movement distance is not linked to movement phase movement distance and yes there is no rule overruling the general rule of 6"

So, you just repeated every thing I said?

Ghenghis Jon wrote:So, you just repeated every thing I said?

what you want me to argue the wrong position?

Maybe i should of wrote you're right but on other forums I visit that gets marked as spam and warnings/ infractions start getting issued, maybe i should of just prefaced it with you're right disregard the rest of it if you don't care.

You're right, bikes cannot assault 12"

Bikes charge 6" stop trying to read to far into an issue that isn't there.

Bikes may move up to 12" and assault up to 6" simple as that.

this again?

bikes assault 6 simple

curtis wrote:
Maybe i should of wrote you're right but on other forums I visit that gets marked as spam and warnings/ infractions start getting issued,

Yep, one of the reasons I left certain forums. Well, that and if you disagreed with a mod on a rules debate, he would just lock the thread.

don_mondo wrote:

curtis wrote:
Maybe i should of wrote you're right but on other forums I visit that gets marked as spam and warnings/ infractions start getting issued,

Yep, one of the reasons I left certain forums. Well, that and if you disagreed with a mod on a rules debate, he would just lock the thread.

Oh no I like/love it like that cause someone going your right/wrong doesn't mean anything and/or doesn't explain why it should be like that, after all the OP had the right answer/ argument but felt enough doubt to ask it here and a yes no answer doesn't help.

Only -technicaly- Eldar Jetbikes can. As they can move 6" in the Assault Phase then assault. But ALL other units assault 6".

And you're not being a Rules Lawyer, your playing by the rules

Detonator wrote:Only -technicaly- Eldar Jetbikes can. As they can move 6" in the Assault Phase then assault. But ALL other units assault 6".

And you're not being a Rules Lawyer, your playing by the rules

The Eldar Jetbike question is an unresolved one. The codex is a little vague. Almost everyone I've ever seen has interpreted it to mean that you can move 6" or assault 6", and not both.

Detonator wrote:Only -technicaly- Eldar Jetbikes can. As they can move 6" in the Assault Phase then assault. But ALL other units assault 6".

And you're not being a Rules Lawyer, your playing by the rules

That's a rather large technicality.

Eldar jetbikes may make a six inch move in the assault phase whether or not they assault. If they assault, then they have made a 6" move. If not, then they move six inches.

It's quite simple.

Iranna.

Detonator wrote:Only -technicaly- Eldar Jetbikes can. As they can move 6" in the Assault Phase then assault. But ALL other units assault 6".
And you're not being a Rules Lawyer, your playing by the rules

The underlined isn't true, but all bikes assault 6"

Beasts/Cavalry assault up to 12"