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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/24 14:41:46
Subject: Newcomer to WM/H, looking for advice on Khador.
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Dangerous Duet
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So I'm goign to firs buy the books, then I will buy the Khador Battle Group. Any advice to give first?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/24 15:57:47
Subject: Re:Newcomer to WM/H, looking for advice on Khador.
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Uhlan
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Khador might seem simple as the slow tough faction, however having played quite a lot of khador I think my one opponent who beat me in the last tournament had about the best description for them. "Khador, super slow and inaccurate until the turn they are they fasted faction in the game." Especially with pSorscha you will notice that pulling off epic assassination runs out of nowhere is pretty much the norm for Khador, so play to that strength.
Also be prepared to but models slowly and mostly online. PP is just starting to ramp up to meet the rising demand and it will be easier to get most models online. However also a good place to start is the 15 point range, it gives you a good feel for the game without becoming overwhelming. I would suggest this as a simple list to work towards that will help you learn the rules for infantry and otheer models while still using the models from you battlebox:
pSorscha, (From the box)
*Destroyer (Also in the battle box)
Doom reavers
*Greylord escort
Eiryss (A mercenary solo, either version is fine)
This list works really well at the low point level.
After that just build up slowly, join a journyman league or something like that. Warmachine is a lot of fun and I really enjoy playing and painting khador, so welcome to the game and... Long Live the Empress.
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I feel sorry for Santa Clause, All these mom and pop operations are running him out of business.
W-L-D
Kommander Sorcha 8-2-0
Zevanna Agha and Scrapjack, 4-1-0
Strakhov, 0-3-0
Karchev, 2-2-0
DQ:90+S++G-M---B--IPwmhd11++D+A++/sWD-R+++T(T)DM+ |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/24 21:56:13
Subject: Newcomer to WM/H, looking for advice on Khador.
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Using Object Source Lighting
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A cheaper start to 15 is just adding a unit of widowmakers, which will fit well in most lists.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/25 14:25:19
Subject: Re:Newcomer to WM/H, looking for advice on Khador.
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Wicked Warp Spider
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You could also go Dog + MoW Kovnik. The Kovnik takes over the Destroyer from Sorsha (who really can't run 2 jacks). He gives it the boosted shot it needs with the pseudo-focus for damage. Not to mention he has 8 health and is a weapon master.
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"I suppose if we couldn't laugh at things that don't make sence, we couldn't react to a lot of life." - Calvin and Hobbes
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/25 19:05:25
Subject: Newcomer to WM/H, looking for advice on Khador.
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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The best idea would be to look into what caster you primarily want to use. Then, we can suggest units/jacks that synergize with said caster.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 02:10:34
Subject: Newcomer to WM/H, looking for advice on Khador.
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Dakka Veteran
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Umm...doom reavers don't really come to mind when I think pSorcha, but a war dog and widowmakers are definitely a good suggestion. Their two units that are quite popular with most lists if you choose to change it up later on.
Now you asked for advice, and I'll try to give some. First though, I must give some warning; I have never played using the prime version of Sorscha. With that being said I think she's a good caster and her feat still has its edge in this version of warmahordes, especially if you're opponent is running unit heavy. Even forcing them to waste one of their allocations of focus to shake the effect is worthwhile in my opinion.
Feast aside what has been mentioned before is absolutely true. Sorscha is not adept at running more than one jacks. She has two upkeeps that are likely to be up the majority of the time and will have enough trouble taking full advantage of jack while doing things on her own, always try to save 2 focus for that free move she has. As for units to take with her I think the Iron Fang Pikeman would definitely be a good choice, but it must be kept in mind that she was one of the few casters that made it worthwhile to bring the Winter Guard Infantry in MK.I and does fairly well in supporting them in this edition.
While I could go on on, the point is that pSorscha, much like her epic counterpart, is not a jack caster like pButcher or Harkevich. She makes does mooks under her the best they can be and can be quite competitive while doing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 02:40:17
Subject: Newcomer to WM/H, looking for advice on Khador.
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Uhlan
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Sgt.Sunshine wrote:Umm...doom reavers don't really come to mind when I think pSorcha, but a war dog and widowmakers are definitely a good suggestion. Their two units that are quite popular with most lists if you choose to change it up later on.
Now you asked for advice, and I'll try to give some. First though, I must give some warning; I have never played using the prime version of Sorscha. With that being said I think she's a good caster and her feat still has its edge in this version of warmahordes, especially if you're opponent is running unit heavy. Even forcing them to waste one of their allocations of focus to shake the effect is worthwhile in my opinion.
Feast aside what has been mentioned before is absolutely true. Sorscha is not adept at running more than one jacks. She has two upkeeps that are likely to be up the majority of the time and will have enough trouble taking full advantage of jack while doing things on her own, always try to save 2 focus for that free move she has. As for units to take with her I think the Iron Fang Pikeman would definitely be a good choice, but it must be kept in mind that she was one of the few casters that made it worthwhile to bring the Winter Guard Infantry in MK.I and does fairly well in supporting them in this edition.
While I could go on on, the point is that pSorscha, much like her epic counterpart, is not a jack caster like pButcher or Harkevich. She makes does mooks under her the best they can be and can be quite competitive while doing.
Having used pSorscha quite a bit I must disagree, first she only has 1 upkeep (Fog of war) which is disadvantageous to your own ranged units as much as to your opponents. Not to mention if you have doom reavers in her army, after using her feat just about anything they can possible reach is dead (Usually a warcaster). yes 1 jack is probably a good limit for her, but that is because she should be using her own focus to assassinate the enemy warcaster instead of worrying about keeping jacks in line.
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I feel sorry for Santa Clause, All these mom and pop operations are running him out of business.
W-L-D
Kommander Sorcha 8-2-0
Zevanna Agha and Scrapjack, 4-1-0
Strakhov, 0-3-0
Karchev, 2-2-0
DQ:90+S++G-M---B--IPwmhd11++D+A++/sWD-R+++T(T)DM+ |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/26 11:43:02
Subject: Newcomer to WM/H, looking for advice on Khador.
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Dakka Veteran
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Huh, for some reason I thought she had Iron Flesh. Well sorry about that then. I can certainly see how she can be used as assassination caster. As for Doom Reavers, I'm still not really sold. I much rather prefer an infantry unit that has a better ability to tarpit an opposing unit or play more rolls that hackin' and slashin'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/03 23:34:44
Subject: Newcomer to WM/H, looking for advice on Khador.
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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Having started with the battle box, moved up to 35 points, and have now mixed in a second caster I can speak a little to this. As a new player you want to keep things simple. Buy the battle box, and a unit of widow makers. It's cheap, and gives you an effective force to learn the game with.
Don't go investing in a pile of units yet!!!!!
After you've played 5-10 15 point games you really start to understand the the undercurrents. The game is pretty simple and easy to understand on the surface, but because of feats, spells, and special abilities the game is really very complex to play effectively.
Once you start to understand that from playing you can really start thinking about what units to buy. Unlike 40k where most armies have a handfull of effective builds Warmachine is really really versatile. That said there are still bad builds (I wouldn't run doom reavers with pSorcha...)
Make a $70 investment in the battle box and widowmakers. Play alot Then pick the units you think look cool, and that you think have synergy.
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