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Hello dakka-citizens.

Yesterday my friends had a 40k battle, BA vs IG. BA player dropped his drop pod in the field and we had a little argument wether the drop pod's "doors", that flip down when deepstriked, are measured for 1" from enemy model when determining if the pod mishaps or not.

thanks in advance.

I would say no. And bedsides, droppods can't have mishaps. They have a special rule that basically stops that from happening.

Well the rules say, for vehicles, you measure to the hull for everything.

Most people play that the doors do not count as hull.

to play that the doors count as hull means the pod will mishap all the time, due to its huge footprint when the Petal doors are opened. It also means that friendly and enemy models can not move over the doors, since models count as impassible terrain.

If I remember correctly, and unfortunately I don't remember where I read this, the doors do NOT count as part of the hull.

Short answer: the doors don't matter for just about anything.

OK thank you for quick reply!

Also Drop pods CAN mishap. Off the table, or if you place within 1" of a mishap-able piece of the board and roll a hit

nosferatu1001 wrote:Also Drop pods CAN mishap. Off the table, or if you place within 1" of a mishap-able piece of the board and roll a hit

What about the guidance system rule or whatever? Doesn't it change that?

You can still mishap by scattering off the board, but onto a terrain piece, etc. you just move the pod until it's safe.

All the guidance system does is reduce the scatter.
If the pod doesn't scatter, there is nothing to reduce.

The guidance system will only reduce scatter to avoid a mishap. If you roll a hit, it does nothing. So if your initial placement was a mishap and you roll a hit, it's a mishap.

LoneGamer wrote:The guidance system will only reduce scatter to avoid a mishap. If you roll a hit, it does nothing. So if your initial placement was a mishap and you roll a hit, it's a mishap.

And if you scatter off the table, the inertial guidance does nothing for you either. Guidance will only reduce scatter for certain circumstances, if it ain't one of those circumstances, it does not get reduced.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Also Drop pods CAN mishap. Off the table, or if you place within 1" of a mishap-able piece of the board and roll a hit

What about the guidance system rule or whatever? Doesn't it change that?

The Guidence system can only reduce scatter, it can't make it larger or make a hit into an arrow.

And the rule only comes into play if it lands on top of the banned area. If the drop pod happens to end up exactly within one inch on the enemy model without being on top of it, a deep strike mishap would happen.

Incorrect, actually. It will reduce scatter to avoid the mishap - given that landing within 1" of an enemy model causes a mishap, by definition it will attempt to reduce this scatter

If im correct... The rule states that if the drop pod scatters onto a freindly, enemy unit, or impassibal terrain, you move the drop pod the minimum distance to a safe landing zone.

Meaning, you move the drop pod 1 inch from an enemy modle if it scatters onto an enemy unit.

1 inch from impassible terrain, and 1 inch from friendly units.

1" from enemy units, as being within 1" of friendly units (but more than 0" ) does notcause a mishap

Being 1" away from a unit doesn't cause a mishap. But if its an enemy unit the player cannot bring whatever was in the pod out on that side since they also have to be at least 1" away from an enemy unit. Not sure if they also have to be 1" from impassable or the board edge.

Fireknife wrote:Being 1" away from a unit doesn't cause a mishap. But if its an enemy unit the player cannot bring whatever was in the pod out on that side since they also have to be at least 1" away from an enemy unit. Not sure if they also have to be 1" from impassable or the board edge.

But you can't place the drop pod less than 1" away, which would normally cause a mishap, but in this case just moves the DP outside of the 1".

You can't move the drop pod away if you already placed it on impassable and it hit. All the guidance system does is lets you reduce scatter so you don't hit stuff by chance.

Spetulhu wrote:You can't move the drop pod away if you already placed it on impassable and it hit. All the guidance system does is lets you reduce scatter so you don't hit stuff by chance.

This↑. Guidance system reduces the scatter distance. If you roll a 'hit', the scatter distance is zero. That distance cannot be reduced.

If you choose to land in impassable terrain or on enemy models and you roll a hit, you have just been hoist on your own petard, and this should teach you not to attempt such faulty tactics in the future.

It will definately misshap if you place it within a ring of impassible terrain such that only the drop pod will fit. The Guidence system will ensure that the pod lands safely, but the squad (unless it's empty) will misshap as soon as they debark.

The squad won't mishap. They simply won't be able to disembark... which means that they will be destroyed.