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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/24 23:33:55
Subject: Land Raider Demise
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Steadfast Grey Hunter
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Land Raider Demise - 250 F S R BS 14 14 13 4 Wargear: Demise Cannon: Range: 36' Strength: 8 AP: 1 Type: heavy 1, large blast, overheat (if you target a model wih the demise cannon, after the shot is made, roll a D6. On a roll of 1 the LR Demise activates special rule Ragnarok) 2x Assault Cannon: Range: 24" Strength: 7 AP: 4 Type: Heavy 4, Rending Special Rules: Power of the machine spirit Ragnarok: If the LR Demise suffers a immobilized, wrecked or destroyed result it triggers Ragnarok. It explodes and all models within 12', including riendly models are hit by D3 strength 8 AP: 1 hits Upgrades: extra Armour smoke launchers searchlights Seargent korvus Seargent Korvus - 100 WS:4 BS:6 S:4 T:4 w:1 i:4 A:1 LD:10 Sv:3+ Wargear: power armour close combat weapon plasma pistol Special Rules: I know this place! All weapons on the LR demise adds 12 inch range 2 is better than 1 ALL Assault cannons are TL Sharp Eye: LR Demise counts as BS 5 Cool down: re-roll failed overheat and ragnarok rolls
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/09/25 07:42:57
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/25 01:05:06
Subject: Re:Land Raider Demise
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Lord of the Fleet
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The problem is that you've created a super land raider and thought that by adding this 'ragnarok' rule, it would all balance out. But in the end, with a little bit of thought, you could easily turn 'ragnarok' to your advantage. I wouldn't put it anywhere near my army, and just drive it as fast possible at the enemy, shooting the 36" S8 AP1 super gun of death. Then if the enemy blows it up, hopefully I take out more vehicles.
So really, not only is the rule kinda silly, but it actually makes the tank better if played right. Also, assault cannons are S6, not 7. And if this is some kind of Grey Knight tank, don't auto-include psy-ammo.
All Land Raiders are AV14 all around.
I don't know what to think of Korvus, because he's expensive, yet provides a bonus that could be handy. Honestly, I think he does too much, even for his 100pts tag. Cronus is 50pts and only gives a BS boost, so I don't quite see the point other than you wanting to make your tank even better.
Without the Ragnarok rule, I would say this thing is worth 275-300pts. With the ragnarok rule, I'd price it at an even 300pts. Its a bit of a liability, but I'd take the risk and force my opponent to react.
I'd only make the rule work if it was wrecked, exploded, or rolled a one for its overheat, not immobilized.
*EDIT* In short, I wouldn't play against that tank. As loyalists, we already have six variants to choose from if we include FW stuff. I just don't think it adds anything or can really be justified by fluff. *Shrugs* but that's just me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/25 01:43:26
Subject: Land Raider Demise
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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What is the fluff behind the Ragnarok special rule? Land Raiders and all vehicles of the Astartes and Imperium are venerated machines, and to lose one to such minor damage as immobilisation (minor by fluff standards, not game; there's nothing to stop a thunderhawk reclaiming it) would be a terrible blow.
Even losing a Land Raider normally is a crippling blow, there is absolutely no reason why they would endanger the lives of the occupants or the surrounding allies and risk losing yet more by rigging it to violently explode, or otherwise.
Also, why is the Rear only 13? It's a pretty poor attempt at balance if it's purposeful, or an error if it's not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/25 01:56:50
Subject: Land Raider Demise
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Steadfast Grey Hunter
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its an error.
The LR demise is very powerful, but to charge up the demise cannon it needs loads of power, so theres no transport capacity
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"Though we face the power of hell, and death is at our side, we fear not, for the Emperor is with us through it all. If we live, we live for the Emperor. If we die, we die for the Emperor. So whether we live or die, we are the Emperor's. We are Grey Knights and this is why we came to be." - Grand Master Dreadknightl |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/25 04:24:54
Subject: Re:Land Raider Demise
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Wicked Canoptek Wraith
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Ya im in favour of the customization, but the D3 PER MODEL is way over powered
With this id change the range of the front gun to 24" and reduce the assault cannons to normal
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Ya, I play Crons, what about it?
Also, they are just shiny space zombies with guns.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/25 08:10:21
Subject: Re:Land Raider Demise
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Also, just plain remove the "I Know This Place" rule. It's incredibly overpowered.
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