RanaldLoec wrote:monstrous arcana
from a rules writer
contains upto 53 monsters
each lore of magic gets an elemental the first we know about.
monster names such as the dread Saurian an ethereal dinosaur?, shards dragon named character etc
fimir warriors have an entry in monstrous arcana, although reproduction methods have been missed out
release date for the new monstrous arcana book is January february.
Apologies for picture quality its a camera phone.

RanaldLoec wrote:The new warhammer forge look. I don't know if its SoM or open to normal WFB rules.

It's a work in progress with upto 53 monsters being added.

Each lore of magic gets an elemental, the lore of beasts one we have seen.

Skaven get a few new monsters like the hellpit destroyer etc etc

Their are entries for fimir warriors.

Serpent Men of Kuresh or similar.

Dread Saurian an ethereal dinosaur

Lots of other names but the rules writer I was talking to stated its all work in progress and could change.

Oh for chaos dwarves

Big armoured suites with fire demons trapped inside, the initial sketch has Japanese style demon face masks.

Harry wrote:I guess that is not a bad way of describing it.
It is a bestiary.
A book full of monsters.
All laid out as scrolls of binding like in SoM
My sense of it was the Monsters in the book would have both a SoM style scroll of binding and if it was clearly for a particular army like a Skaven monster then the rules for using it with your Skaven army would be included.

Also I think the aim is to complete all the monsters in the book in a year ... so by next Gamesday ... not next December.

They are off to a good start by including in the book everything they have so far.

After this another 'Imperial Armour/Tamurkhan' style book detailing another epic clash between good and evil.

But NOT Chaos. The plans for the full series of Chaos books as originally imagined has been shelved.
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The book is out sooner. 12 months is how long the sculptors think it will take them to do every monster in the book!

The elemental thing is great. Chatted to Mark Bedford about this.
He said rather than just do the four elements ... water, earth wind and fire they had decided to do elementals for all the winds of magic. So a return of the Life and Death elementals. His ideas for the Metal elemental were exciting.

RanaldLoec wrote:I was told a release date early next year January February for the book by the rules writer/ developer.

Sorry I have no pictures of the Saurian Dinosaur but it was similar to a carnosaur but with allot of gold coloured glyph armour around its body creeping up onto its head with a sleeker more pointed snout than the carnosaur and larger fore limbs.

Grimstonefire wrote:From what I remember, there's a (another) two headed dragon that's currently being sculpted (not chaos).

In artwork: Human sized werewolves (werekin?? Marauders that have burst out of their skin) At least 4 skaven creatures including (as someone else said, a huge abomination thing). Rat wolves.

Some creature that looks like it's a chaos spider covered in little spiders.

A few undead things in there including a vargulf type creature.

A big dinosaur (as someone else said)

Loads of typical fantasy monsters. Typical to fantasy generally I mean (unseen in warhammer before).

Also something which caught my attention, a golden empire griffon statue that fires fireballs out of it's chest!

Due to be out next games day.
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Random vaguely on topic thing on the subject of wolves. Brian Nelson categorically ruled out him ever sculpting anything with fur again after doing the Boars. I was fishing to see if he was sculpting new wolves you see.

Bloodwin wrote:A few points I heard that I didn't see on p1:

1) The next book from WF will be a monsters book but more of a supplement of data sheets a la Storm of Magic. All the monsters in it are hoped to be out within one and a half years. (of book release I assume)

2) WF will not be doing hobgoblin models as they would be too expensive to buy in resin for such a cheap unit.

3) They hope to have some High Elf stuff in the next campaign book (not the monster supplement)

Forgeworld and Warhammer Forge made Games Day worthwhile for me but as others have said it felt like GW dropped the ball and I think that is down to Dreadfleet not capturing the imagination. Now if they re-did Blood Bowl with a printed cloth field and new models people would go berserk. My sympathies to the GW staff who will have to try and excite people about DF.

Moonstone_Fellblade wrote:Don't think this has been posted yet:

Phoenix had stats like a great eagle, but had a few special rules too, in a high elf army, the phoenix acted like a bsb and also, when the phoenix was killed, on a 5+ it gets back up on 1 wound and everythign in base contact takes a S5 hit

Pretty ure it had a 3rd special rule, think it was something like -1 to wound it.

RanaldLoec wrote:There where sooooo many names in the mock up book a good number of complete entries rules, fluff, artwork and points.

Forgive any spelling mistakes from memory

Dread Saurian
Shard Dragon
Fimir Warriors
Basilisk
Maw Wyrm (i was told this name had already changed and was a completely different monster).
Warp Wolf
E'tan
Kuuresh or Khuuresh serpent men (the designer got excited about these guys made mention of some island mentioned in the big battle rule book as being their origin).
Corrupted Coatl (thanks to fellblade for the correct name (linked to the serpent men)

Their was a few named character monsters mentioned one I believe was a dragon.

Honestly there was too much information to absorb the designers where really excited by the level of interest and kept sharing more info than I could take in.
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Darius Hinks let on he's writing a trilogy about Orion which sounds like awesomesauce.

Nighthawke wrote:i was talking to the guy who was writing it and he was saying about the beast model they designed it the wrong way, they made it first then decided to put it in the book so have to make rules and artwork for the thing xD
things about the book i found out is that its apparently out around fec next year and the monsters can be used in non-storm of magic games,

oh and they also had two pages at the back of the book called dino 1 and dino 2 as they wanted to do some dinosaurs but didnt really know what yet and one idea floating around was a giant terradon

forgot to add, has anyone posted pic of the little toads they made so when you use the scrolls or bret spell etc you can replace the model

75hastings69 wrote:Wait till you see the other new vc stuff new krell anyone?

Harry wrote:Thats not from Warhammer Forge ... thats from the studio. Right?

Sorry GW not FW, FW seem to be just making all sorts of stuff ATM with some nice surprises to come

Eddie Chaos wrote:I spoke to one of the warhammer forge sculptors about this mini, he said it was just something cool they had sculpted so they put it into production. Its not indicative of future undead releases from FW

Chaos Undecided wrote:None of the new units in the book are usable in a beastmen army in a standard game but the book does include rules for using a Great Host of Chaos which is the old three combined in alliances designed for battles of 3k+

Grimstonefire wrote:No, no rhinox rider rules as far as I can see.
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WF ruled out basic chaos dwarf warriors and hobgoblins because they felt they would be to expensive.... Yet they put in the entry for hobgoblins nontheless and tell us to find alternatives!? Why not warriors as well?
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Those who were expecting plain ordinary CD warriors that aren't in chaos armour will be disappointed. Unless they look elsewhere...

Or put another way.

When you consider that unless FW management reconsider, the entries in the Tamurkhan list will be the ONLY models that FW will release now for CD. As part of a complete list that is (i.e. they could still release add ons years from now).

So bearing this in mind and the fact that there are only 2 CD infantry units in the whole list, it's a terrible shame that they didn't just include the option for basic CD warriors. Just copy and paste from the dwarfs book. Job done.

As it is we're left with 2 (admittedly cool in theme) units that are very closely themed, which is nothing really considering what they could have done.

If they'd split the infernals with fireglaives off into a separate unit that would have given them the option of releasing different models. Visually more impressive having variety.

Bloodwin wrote:This was my first GD since the 90s and it felt small but perhaps that's the venue being rather dark. Black Library did well, with a nice open area and the book signing queues weren't too horrific. I saw the early queues for the retail area and left it until after lunch. It took about 20 mins to get through the big queue and some chap gave out free water so that was ok. I wasn't after super awesome stuff, just the FW event minis and the BL event book so I was happy enough andI was surprised that the event shirt was only £15. The design studio stuff was almost non existant. I saw Dreadfleet in the flesh and it looked poor so yeah that was a distinct miss. The only 'dread' in that game is how they are going to shift it. Armies on Parade was a bit meh. I think they should give more insight into what they are looking for as the compositions varied a lot (some had battles or were very diorama focused). The saving grace for me was Forgeworld and Warhammer Forge. Not only did they have an epic run up with new releases but there were loads of work in progress figures including another chaos dwarf machine, the rider for the winged bull and 4 other chaos dwarf characters. There was also a rat wolf that was about the size of a horse, a two headed giant and an awesome little toad. The Warhammer Gorge book is beautiful. Even with all the 8th edition full colour goodness.

A few points I heard that I didn't see on p1:

1) The next book from WF will be a monsters book but more of a supplement of data sheets a la Storm of Magic. All the monsters in it are hoped to be out within one and a half years. (of book release I assume)

2) WF will not be doing hobgoblin models as they would be too expensive to buy in resin for such a cheap unit.

3) They hope to have some High Elf stuff in the next campaign book (not the monster supplement)

Forgeworld and Warhammer Forge made Games Day worthwhile for me but as others have said it felt like GW dropped the ball and I think that is down to Dreadfleet not capturing the imagination. Now if they re-did Blood Bowl with a printed cloth field and new models people would go berserk. My sympathies to the GW staff who will have to try and excite people about DF.

Chaos Dwarf Characters (possibly for the Warmachines?)


Chaos Dwarf Sorceror


Bale Taurus Rider


Sorry the Rat Wolf / Wolf Rat was a crap photo, it's head was wearing a cowl like some clanrats and plaguemonks, it amost liked like they had stuck an actual skaven head on it.

Alpharius wrote:ANy pics of the "Wight King" and not just his Standard Bearer (Jervis?)?

The Great Host Of Chaos

Designed to be used in 3000 or more grand armies.

Normal army composition but you can mix and match characters and units from

Warriors of chaos
Beastmen
Demons

One lord must be chosen as the paragon there can be 5 types, undivided, one for each mark of chaos.

Only core units from your paragons army book may use inspiring presence and hold your ground special rules all the time.

Some units are classed as being antagonistic and may never use IP or HYG.

EXAMPLE A Slaanesh warriors unit cannot use the IP of a Khorne Paragon.

Warriors can choose between all 5 paragon choices
Beastmen can only do undivided paragons
Daemonic paragons make the whole army immune to psychology but none demonic units are at -1 LD.

The host can suffer army wide problems due to a rule called the tide of consquests.
This is measured by the number if chaos units fleeing or destroyed in comparison to the enemy armies fleeing and destroyed.

If chaos have more fleeing and destroyed its bad, if the enemy has more fleeing or destroyed you get a cool bonus depending on what paragon you choose.

Eg. Slaanesh paragons in ascendancy grant +1 to all hex casting rolls. ALL enemy units are at minus 1 initiative.

If the paragon dies your whole army can disintegrate.

It's all very cool and well written.

Their is a designers note saying that this rule set is not meant for "win at all cost" style playing or for list tailoring. The designer goes onto say that its not designed for this "more
mean spirited style if play".

Essentially its aimed more at beer and pretzels style play.

Did Tamurkhan have any updated rules for the Mammoth with howdah?

Yes the howdah can hold a unit of 20 models they garrison it as a building but only large targets can assault it. The unit can't fight in close combat unless its assaulted.

It would make a good platform for a sorcerer lord or beastmen shaman.

Battle howdah T6 W6

Or it can take a warshrine instead giving both the warshrine and mammoth a 5+ ward save.

Warshrine T6 W4

Marks give it bonuses different to normal marks other than the mark of Nurgle and tzeentch which is the same.

Khorne Rerolls number of attacks, Slaanesh stubborn.

Oh its has regular thunderstomp so no stomping everything like in storm of magic.

Except it appears that if you roll a 3-4 vs infantry warbeasts cavalry or swarms you do 4d6 stomp attacks. So that an exception which allows you to stomp cavalry!

Coggy wrote:take this with a huge grain of salt, but i talked to someone in the know.
(being purposely vague to protect) The warhammer forge chaos ogre was originally supposed to be part of a 3 pack like most of the other similar sized minis, but the sculptor that made the ogre was (enter fired/died/retasked/brainwashed) and they only had the one sculpt. So of course they sold what they had(its gw ). WHF is supposed to complete the 3 eventually and sell the set.. dunno when, but that was what i was told.

Grimstonefire wrote:I was told pretty much the same thing, but after Rick was fired the freelance sculptors he had helped recruit all protest quit. Keith Robertson was saying that they are getting a huge number of requests for the Ogre they released last year to be made a general release.

He said that they plan to sculpt 2 more to sell alongside as 'they couldn't contact the original sculptor'. Which I presume is a tactful way of saying he's ignoring them.