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Hello everyone.

I was wondering how to best use the skavenslaves in battle.

Im not sure do i have to use steadfast always. If i use it my slaves have to throw double 1 with their ld 2 (if there's no general or something). And if i dont use it i still lose by 5 or more and i have ld 3 or something.

So whats your best advices with them? People say they are good, but im not sure how.

Skavenslaves are good due to the following:
Inspiring Presence
Battle Standard Bearer
Steadfast
Strength in Numbers

The General doesn't have to be in the unit for the Skavenslaves to benefit from his Leadership. On top of that, they gain Leadership equal to their Rank Bonus (up to 3). Then there is the Battle Standard Bearer re-roll. Finally, if you have more ranks than your opponent, the Skavenslaves are Steadfast. So with enough Skavenslaves in a unit and both the General and the Battle Standard Bearer nearby, the Skavenslaves will take a re-rollable Break Test on Ld10.

Airmaniac wrote:Skavenslaves are good due to the following:
Inspiring Presence
Battle Standard Bearer
Steadfast
Strength in Numbers

The General doesn't have to be in the unit for the Skavenslaves to benefit from his Leadership. On top of that, they gain Leadership equal to their Rank Bonus (up to 3). Then there is the Battle Standard Bearer re-roll. Finally, if you have more ranks than your opponent, the Skavenslaves are Steadfast. So with enough Skavenslaves in a unit and both the General and the Battle Standard Bearer nearby, the Skavenslaves will take a re-rollable Break Test on Ld10.

Yeah but the FAQ states that i cant add strength in numbers to my ld if the unit is steadfast (which ruins the whole deal).

No, it does not say tht.

It says you cannot use the Generals ranks to increase your leadership,and nothing more. There is nothing in the Skaven 1.4 FAQ which affects Steadfast and SiN - in fact there is no mention of Steadfast in the entire FAQ

To answer your first question: you are always "Steadfast" if you have more ranks than your opponent, meaning you test on unmodifed leadership. As long as you have a rank bonus you will then test on Ld+(1 - 3), where "Ld" can be your generals leadership

nosferatu1001 wrote:No, it does not say tht.

It says you cannot use the Generals ranks to increase your leadership,and nothing more. There is nothing in the Skaven 1.4 FAQ which affects Steadfast and SiN - in fact there is no mention of Steadfast in the entire FAQ

To answer your first question: you are always "Steadfast" if you have more ranks than your opponent, meaning you test on unmodifed leadership. As long as you have a rank bonus you will then test on Ld+(1 - 3), where "Ld" can be your generals leadership

Oh sorry, i typoed. The rulebook's FAQ (4th page) says that you can't add strength in numbers to unmodified leadership throws (steadfast).

You are correct Lumppu, were it not for the fact that the Rulebook FAQ also says that:

Page 60 – Steadfast
Change “[...]can use its unmodified Leadership[...]” to “[...]doesn’t apply the difference in combat result scores[...]”.
Change both references to “[...] any enemy units [...]” to “[...] all enemy units [...]”.

This means that Steadfast does not allow you to use your unmodified Leadership. Rather, it allows you to not apply the difference in combat result scores. Therefore, Strength in Numbers can still be used on Steadfast Break Tests.

Airmaniac wrote:You are correct Lumppu, were it not for the fact that the Rulebook FAQ also says that:

Page 60 – Steadfast
Change “[...]can use its unmodified Leadership[...]” to “[...]doesn’t apply the difference in combat result scores[...]”.
Change both references to “[...] any enemy units [...]” to “[...] all enemy units [...]”.

This means that Steadfast does not allow you to use your unmodified Leadership. Rather, it allows you to not apply the difference in combat result scores. Therefore, Strength in Numbers can still be used on Steadfast Break Tests.

Oh yeah, thanks dude. Missed that part. That makes my slaves alot better!

In page 54 in the BRB states "If a defeated unit has more ranks than its enemy, it takes its Break test on its unmodified Leadership". Doesn't this mean that they use their unmodified ld?

Raza` wrote:In page 54 in the BRB states "If a defeated unit has more ranks than its enemy, it takes its Break test on its unmodified Leadership". Doesn't this mean that they use their unmodified ld?

... and couple rows lower it says "the unit can always take".. man this is broken rule

No, it isnt - see the errata.

nosferatu1001 wrote:No, it isnt - see the errata.

Oh man you're right. I just read the errata wrong. Thanks everyone, now it's solved once and for all.