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This is what I'm thinking for a DoA list. I was thinking that a unit of Sanguinary Guard would be nice, but I'd have to add a Sanguinor to make that really effective and don't know what I'd take out. I figure that I can pretty easily swap out some of the meltas for flamers if i have to play a horde type army; maybe 4 for 4, or more? Not 100% sure. Any thoughts about things I may be missing or just general comments/opinions? Thanks.

HQ: Librarian
Jump Pack
Shield of Sanguinius, Blood Lance
= 125

HQ: Librarian
Jump Pack
Shield of Sanguinius, Blood Lance
= 125

EL: Sanguinary Priest
Jump Pack
= 75

EL: Sanguinary Priest
Jump Pack
= 75

EL: Sanguinary Priest
Jump Pack
= 75

TR: 10 Assault Marines
2 Meltaguns
Power Fist
= 235

TR: 10 Assault Marines
2 Meltaguns
Power Fist
= 235

TR: 10 Assault Marines
2 Meltaguns
Power Fist
= 235

TR: 10 Assault Marines
2 Meltaguns
Power Fist
= 235

TR: 10 Assault Marines
2 Meltaguns
Power Fist
= 235

FA: 5 Vanguard Veterans
Jump Packs
1 Power Fist (sergeant)
= 175

FA: 5 Vanguard Veterans
Jump Packs
1 Power Fist (sergeant)
= 175

Total: 2000 Points

Its a standard DoA list, i would drop the vanguard squads and run baal's, AV 13 fast vehicle is always nice

Yeah, not much to really say about it, i think. It's a pretty good looking, old fashioned DoA list. I'd personally take out the 2nd lib and the vanguard, and put some devastators in there, but really it all depends on what sort of play style you like.

Lean and mean. I like it.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll pick up some more models and play around with it a bit.

I like your list. Totally equilibrated.

I wouldn't add any armor by the way. Even if you'll add a Baal with Flamestorm cannon with the goal of toasting someone by the sides of the table outflanking you'll face some minus but still important disadvantage.

1) You'll cant control the moment of come-in from the reserves. The reroll of the reserves thanks to the "Descent of Angels" rule gives you a lot of chance to slow all the jump packers, if you'll want. With a Baal when the dice will decide you'll field it.

2) Outflanking you'll cant decide on which side it will come in. Of course having a similar vehicle in reserves will push your adversaries to play far from the edges (thing that you'll like) but, again, a little too much random if compared to a deep striking little unit.

3) VS the meta armies now a days you'll alwais find a lot of anti-armor, high str long ranged weapons. Vs a lot of infantry jump packers this wouldn't ruin your days but if you'll ad just 1 armor in the list you'll very probably make a gift to your opponents. Imagine the Baal entering from reserves, burn someone (certainly a positive thing) and then being destroyed by the enemy shooting fase when he will have almost his complete anti-tank armoury on one target (now not a great thing). 1 easy kill point in many occasions.

Your list is actually very very good this way.

I think you need to invest in your Vanguard more. They should be built for all comers combat. So hammer for monstrous creatures, vehicles and elites, power weapons for infantry and melta bobms for vehicles.

I'd recommend collapsing your two Veteran squads into a single squad. I think it's slightly cheaper, and you can Combat Squad ten vets into five man groups if you want.

Otherwise, this looks almost precisely like my 1500 point DoA list, only bigger, and a lot leaner.

If you want to run vanguard, beef them up make them heavy hitters and drop a few assault squads. dont make them run around and make them easy to kill

I'll definitely collapse the two vanguard units to save a few points and add weapons with the leftover. Would it be better to drop an assault squad or one librarian to beef the vanguards up some more? Or maybe go with flamers on one or two of the assault squads and use those points on vanguard upgrades?

This is nothing like the standard DoA list. This is unbalanced in the extreme. On the other note Baals are hard to get right: they scout ahead making them vulnerable or outflank which can be a little bit of fun neither guarantees success. DoA relies on giving the enemy little to shoot at, especially giving nothing for their antitank get their teeth into. Typhoons and dev. squads are the only things I would add if you wanted some flavour.

You have a bunch of powerfists and meltas to kill stuff. Sorry st4/5 attacks and a few psychic powers do not count.
So you have the ability to take out tanks and maybe a few monsters. There are more units to kill.

Firstly a single Honour guard with 4 meltas would be good as 2 meltas can not take reliably take out landraiders or be trusted with the more important targets. If you give this squad 4 flamers as well then that would be fun.

Next you have nothing to take on assault units. For example if someone deploys assault termies, sang. guard or fully armed vanguard against you then you have little to brake their armour whilst they can tear through yours.
Something like fully arming the venguard or sang. guard would be good for you.

Then you do not a mob killer. An assault squad with flamers and powerweapon can just make the all important difference.

So that is three changes just to give some balance. Your current list can either go against orks and lose or go against razorbackspam and win but will be accused of list tailoring: This is where balance is important.

In fact, 3 full AM squads should suffice, since you can combat squad if necessary. I'd take another Vanguard unit or a Honor Guard.

Ok, few potential revisions. They both seem more balanced. Let me know if either looks more promising, or if I'm missing anything.

HQ: Commander Dante = 225

HQ: Librarian: Jump Pack, Shield of Sanguinius, Blood Lance/Sanguine Sword = 125

3x Sanguinary Priest: Jump Pack = 225

3x 10 Assault Marines: 2 Meltaguns, Power Fist = 705

10 Assault Marines: 2 Flamers, Power Fist, Meltabomb = 230

5 Sanguinary Guard: Death Masks, 4 Power Fist =265

5 Vanguard Veterans: Jump Packs, 1 Power Fist, 2 Storm Shield, 2 Thunder Hammer = 225

Total: 2000 Points

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HQ: Librarian: Jump Pack, Infernus Pistol, Shield of Sanguinius, Sanguine Sword = 140

HQ: Librarian: Jump Pack, Infernus Pistol, Shield of Sanguinius, Blood Lance = 140

3x Sanguinary Priest: Jump Pack, Hand Flamer = 255

5 Honor Guard (1 Novitiate): Jump Packs, 4 Meltagun, Meltabomb =210

3x 10 Assault Marines: 2 Meltaguns, Power Fist = 705

10 Assault Marines: 2 Flamers, Power Fist, Meltabomb = 230

5 Vanguard Veterans: Jump Packs, 1 Power Fist, 2 Storm Shield, 2 Thunder Hammer = 225

Total: 2000 Points

At 2000 points, I plan to try out Dante, a Libby w/Blood Lance and a Honour Guard w/4 Meltas to drop in the middle of the worst thing the enemy has and utterly obliterate it.

But it's kinda really expensive, so I haven't tried it out yet. Also, my Blood Angels are not even 1500 points, yet...

Cheers,
Kosta

I don't quite understand the above this is a more then common doa list

Everything is solid if I had to change anything it probably be take out a priest, maybe a asm squad to fit that hg in with flamers and/or Melta

Then spend the rest on a couple pws for the vv

If you have to add devs, they give a new feel of play but in the end all they do is stand and shoot

MFletch wrote:This is nothing like the standard DoA list. This is unbalanced in the extreme.

This is a standard DoA what has been posted. I'm not sure what you think a DoA list is. I also see no Baals either.

For the OP this is a DoA list you should be looking at:

HQ

Librarian - jump pack, shield of sanguinus & unleash rage
Librarian - jump pack, shield of sanguinus & unleash rage
Honour Guard - jump packs & 4 x plasma guns

Elite

2 x Sanguinary Priests - jump packs

Troops

10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x flamers - sgt w/ power weapon
5 x Scouts - camo cloaks & sniper rifles

Fast Attack

5 x Vanguard Veterans - 2 x power weapons & 2 x melta bombs - sgt w/ thunder hammer
5 x Vanguard Veterans - 2 x power weapons & 2 x melta bombs - sgt w/ thunder hammer

You've got three Priests to keep the Marines alive and make them hit harder in assault. Librarians also keep the infantry alive with shield, it's not awesome, but it can save 33% of the shots which is better than no cover save.

Honour Guard blast monstrous creatures, elite infantry and light armour to pieces.

Assault Squads blast tanks and assault the tank with a power fist if the meltas have failed to do anything or assault the troops inside. Flamer Assault Squad is dedicated anti horde/infantry, throw a Priest into this unit so the power weap is S5 I5 .

Scouts objective camp while your troops come in. Keep them in reserve in capture and control games and let them walk in, they have camo cloaks if anyone shoots at them so go to ground for 2+ cover save .

Vanguard drop in have and variety of weapons to deal with variety of threats close combat wise. They have power weapons for infantry and at a push monstrous creatures (S5 thanks to Priest), melta bombs for the extra on vehicles and a hammer for vehicles, monstrous creatures and elite infantry.

Btw check points on that list because I haven't, should be around 2k. Any spare points get another flamer Assault Squad. Hope that helps

Is it standard list that only has meltas and powerfists and no antiinfantry? Maybe yes.
However is it a good idea to review an unbalanced list and say it is standard? Maybe, no, it is better to say that when you see lists with just meltas and powerfists, the lists struggle against mech lists and then are changed for future tournaments.

Thanks for all of the input guys. I built that list up in Army Builder, Mercer, and it's a perfect 2000 points without the Scouts. Would it be better to take the two V. Vets or fully upgrade one squad with lightning claws, hammers, and shields at this point level?

Two questions that are more or less related to the thread :

1: Are DoA lists viewed as competitive? Or would a competitive player either go mech or another army entirely? I'm trying to grasp if this is a "for fun" concept, or one that wins games.

2: I don't see anyone picking Dante or the other high priced HQs. Are they not worth it, even on a 2k list?

Hi there!

1. Instead of a Power Weapon, I prefer a Lightning Claw on my Assault Marines w/Flamers. It's one less attack traded for re-rolls. Mathhammer tell us that's better for high-Toughness units and those Marines are equipped against Horde, so YMMV.

2. I think DoA lists are viewed as semi-competitive. They are fun to play, are somewhat versatile, can create huge problems for a number of enemies. But I don't know if they'd be viable against e.g. GK with all those Energy Weapons on almost every model.

3. About Dante: I'd try out fielding him somewhere between 1700 and 2000 points, for a perfectly precise Deepstrike. But that's kind of a one-trick pony. I'd also try out a Reclusiarch to lead some Assault Marines. Cannot hurt. But I think the one problem with BA is that you can easily spend too much points on gimmicks, so there's a big move towards simplicity.

HTH,
Kosta

MFletch wrote:Is it standard list that only has meltas and powerfists and no antiinfantry? Maybe yes.
However is it a good idea to review an unbalanced list and say it is standard? Maybe, no, it is better to say that when you see lists with just meltas and powerfists, the lists struggle against mech lists and then are changed for future tournaments.

It is a standard DoA list as in the format. What you mean to say is it balanced, the answer in no. Standard list and balanced list are very two different things. You'll also notice I suggested a balanced DoA list also. Also meltas and power fists won't struggle against mech.

mercer wrote:

MFletch wrote:Is it standard list that only has meltas and powerfists and no antiinfantry? Maybe yes.
However is it a good idea to review an unbalanced list and say it is standard? Maybe, no, it is better to say that when you see lists with just meltas and powerfists, the lists struggle against mech lists and then are changed for future tournaments.

It is a standard DoA list as in the format. What you mean to say is it balanced, the answer in no. Standard list and balanced list are very two different things. You'll also notice I suggested a balanced DoA list also. Also meltas and power fists won't struggle against mech.

Agreed