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This has probably been covered here somewhere, but I couldn't find it. I played a fella with some acute ideas about the rules of the game this weekend, and I was hard pressed to find rebuttals in the rule book for some of them. One of them was about the wound allocation of a Fearless IC joined with a Fearless squad loosing in close combat. He said that since they were treated as separate units in combat, that the IC and the squad would EACH have to take saves equal to the number of wounds lost by. Even though I do not think so, I played it his way, but is this true? On a related concern about non-fearless IC's, if he losses the assault his squad is eliminated in and fails a leadership test, does he have the option to attempt a regroup next turn? I have always thought no, but this guy says that since he is considered a separate unit, there is no way for him to lose 50% of himself without dying. He has got me doubting all kinds of things about the way I understand the rules.

This is not true. They are not treated as separate units in combat all the time. IC's are a part of the squad they are attached to, Except for when attacks are resolved.

So "Once all attacks have been resolved, [they] are once again treated as normal members of the unit they have joined." P.49

As for regrouping, They can regroup in the situation you described.

IC's can never meet the criteria for being below half strength, so as long as they are not within 6 inches of an enemy and they are alone they can attempt to regroup.

Thank you!


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So if an IC is attached to a unit that is broken and below 50%, will he have to run off the board with them? That is how we always played.

Ghenghis Jon wrote:So if an IC is attached to a unit that is broken and below 50%, will he have to run off the board with them? That is how we always played.

That is correct. If an IC is attached to a unit that is Falling back and below 50% he will have to run off the board with them.

Unless they have a rule that lets them regroup when below half strength like "And They Shall Know No Fear".

Does the IC count towards the total squad count? Like if 9 troops and an IC lose 5 troops and break, do they count as being below half strength?

Ghenghis Jon wrote:Does the IC count towards the total squad count? Like if 9 troops and an IC lose 5 troops and break, do they count as being below half strength?

From the BGB FAQ:

Q: How do Independent Characters that have joined a
squad effect working out if a squad is below half
strength or not? (p48)
A: Independent Characters are not counted when
working out if a squad is below half strength or not.
The exception to this is if an Independent Character is
with a Retinue (in which case he is counted when
working out if the squad is below half strength).

So, in your example, the squad is below half strength and will run off the board (unless they have ATSKNF, bonding knives, ways to become fearless like going near an Avatar, etc)

Thanks!