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Between the soldiers of both infamous death worlds, who is the superior fighter?

and which world is more dangerous?

Personally I like the Catachan Jungle fighters more because I believe that they're more interesting in both character and style

Where are they fighting?

I assume that would be a huge factor. DKOK seem much more generalist, which would make them a superior fighting force in a lot of situations, but the Catachans would be better at jungle and maybe urban combat.

As for which world is more dangerous, Catachan, since it's not environmental factors like Krieg.

Molten Butter wrote:Where are they fighting?

I assume that would be a huge factor. DKOK seem much more generalist, which would make them a superior fighting force in a lot of situations, but the Catachans would be better at jungle and maybe urban combat.

As for which world is more dangerous, Catachan, since it's not environmental factors like Krieg.

they specialize in trench warfare

PresidentOfAsia wrote:they specialize in trench warfare

Huh. Turns out your right.

In that case, it really is a tossup. Krieg has better conventional weaponry, Catachans have better close-combat abilities. Really, they're both made for very different situations. I would want a Death Korps regiment at Hydra Cordatus, or a Catachan regiment for an insertion.

Depends on their application/situation.

They specialise in different types of warfare.

My vote would be DKOK, nothing quite says "dont mess with me" like coming from a dead world and specialising in trench warfare, id imagine trench warfare in the 40k 'verse being pretty damn brutal.

Everything about Krieg is just so...badass and grimdark, whereas the Catachans are more 80's/early90's action heroes types based off Stallone, Schwarzenegger, and stuff like Ventura's character in Predator.

Also, to put it in perspective, the Catachan's have authority issues and sometimes frag commissars, the DKoK has commissars to ensure they play nice with other regiments and hold them back from willfully sacrificing themselves for trivial gains.



That said, both are somewhat specialist troops. One wouldn't expect DKoK troops to defeat Catachan's in the jungle or Catachan's to defeat Krieg troopers in a pitched battle.

Molten Butter wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:they specialize in trench warfare

Huh. Turns out your right.

In that case, it really is a tossup. Krieg has better conventional weaponry, Catachans have better close-combat abilities. Really, they're both made for very different situations. I would want a Death Korps regiment at Hydra Cordatus, or a Catachan regiment for an insertion.

Actually Krieg also have a heavy emphasis on close combat, one of the armies rules is that all guardsmen have WS4 and never take negative modifiers to leadership in close combat.

Wow...really? I'm the ONLY one so far who's voted Catachan?

Okay then, fine. I think that the Catachans can do far more with far less than the Death Corps can.

Death Korps of Krieg

This all comes down to an issue of terrain and deployment. If the Kriegs are patrolling through a dense jungle, valley, or swamp, Catachans will slaughter them. If the Catachans are trying to overrun a trench on an open barren plain, Kriegs will slaughter them.

I wear gas masks, cause my ancestors suck at not ruining my planet, or I survived a planet with some of the most dangerous predators in the galaxy

That said, the cost of fielding a Krieg army... ridiculous. They should have some amped stat lines.

Edit: I do love the models though. (I wonder what forgeworld Catachans would look like)

I have to say that I voted DKoK msainly because they're one of the most badass looking army out there... while the Catachan look kinda silly.

The more I think about it. Why do the DKoK use trench warfare? I suppose it makes sense, in the IoM de-evolution of ideas kinda way. Planet destroyed by long range nuclear bombardment, so take up form of fighting worst at dealing with it.

They use trench warfare because static defenses and years-long (sometimes centuries-long) conflicts/sieges are commonplace in the 41st Millennia as GW is silly. The concept of the classical siege has pretty much been rendered useless for a good few decades now IRL, nevermind in the far future. The Tau and Eldar concepts of mobile warfare is much more realistic to futuristic styles of fighting.

Superior solder - Krieg.
More dangerous world - Catachan.

One on one, I think the Jungle fighters have an edge. Especially in close quarters like a jungle etc... Unit sized combat with assets The DKOK wins hands down.

DKOK specialize in trench warfare. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what an artillery bombardment can do to the enviroment. If the Catachans are hiding in the woods, level the woods... now they can hide in craters.

The problem would be if the enviroment was totally inappropriate for massing formations which is the DKOK's strong suit.

Catachans hands down imo.Nearly every living thing on their world tries to kill you and these guys not only survive but thrive on their experiences.Every one seems to assume Catachans will get destroyed by Krieg but i'm pretty sure Catachans can drive tanks and use artillary just as well as Krieg guardsmen.This is only my opinion of course and i'm ready for a hammering.

Remember Catachans can have Marbo


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Oh lets not forget that looking more badass =/=being the better soldier

Superior Tactician: Catachan

The argument I most see is, DKoK win cause they have all these tanks and arty, and just blow everything up. That is exactly why Catachan win. DKoK get in wonderful little lines for any sort of air power to strafe right along the lines and kill them. Or fire arty. Its alot easier to pound an enemy line when you can see and enemy line.

Sure DKoK wins when their are 6 catachans in a bush vs every DKoK, ever.

shingouki wrote:Catachans hands down imo.Nearly every living thing on their world tries to kill you and these guys not only survive but thrive on their experiences.Every one seems to assume Catachans will get destroyed by Krieg but i'm pretty sure Catachans can drive tanks and use artillary just as well as Krieg guardsmen.This is only my opinion of course and i'm ready for a hammering.

The DKoK live on a world where the very air is poison and going for an afternoon constitutional can see you blown up by any number of 500 year old mines and unexploded ordnance, and engage in military training from birth and live fire exercise and maneuvers from childhood and every training cadre is trying to outfight the other in live fire exercises.


EDIT: Also keep in mind that Krieg fields more than just meat grinder trench warfare units. They field everything but Drop Troops, it's just that their most known for siege regiments.

Catachan win in a one on one fight or a small skirmish. Death Korps would win a war.

^This.
I vote for Catachans. They are tough SOB's.

It would definetely depend on the battlefield as both armies specialize in different types of warfare.

Marbo would win.

Vaktathi wrote: the Catachans are more 80's/early90's action heroes types based off Stallone, Schwarzenegger, and stuff like Ventura's character in Predator.

This is exactly why I voted for the Catachans.

Ssgt Carl wrote:

Vaktathi wrote: the Catachans are more 80's/early90's action heroes types based off Stallone, Schwarzenegger, and stuff like Ventura's character in Predator.

This is exactly why I voted for the Catachans.

And exactly why they win. Gimdark, we're so cool, our air is poison cause we made it that way, cause we suck at war, doesnt win in the end. Action heroes get to the chopper just in time, and do it with the folks in distress on their back.

Thank you CpatTom. Death Corps seems to have that tragic, European, 'war-is-hell' motif inspired by World War II. Catachans seem to have more of a gritty, American, 'war-is-hell' motif inspired by Vietnam.

Ya, though I'd say more of a war-is-hell WWI motif.

CpatTom wrote:
And exactly why they win. Gimdark, we're so cool, our air is poison cause we made it that way, cause we suck at war

Because they were outnumbered multiple times over and had to resort to atomic weaponry against their own world to win and eventually won against overwhelming odds without support, then immediately turned around and told the Imperium they had a ton of troops available for transport to the worst warzones?

I'd highly suggest reading Dead Men Walking if you get the chance and reading the Siege of Vraks FW books.

DKoK are way more bad ass. I personally think catachans look stupid anyway.

IMHO, Death Korps are the more bad ass. However, I think that Catachan fighters take a more individualistic style of fighting, rather than the massed numbers of Kriegsman commomly seen in fluff. Also, I think a Catachan commander would greatly annoy a Krieg commander, because the Catachan (I would think) would use more guerilla tactics, whereas, the Kriegsman Commanders tend to send massed waves of infantry.