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Setting the scene. I want to move my Looted wagon so Its not an Auto hit on the Assault.
It's got red paint job so I can move an extra 1" and not Incur penalties.

Now i've red the rule and it says add 1" to your Move in the Movement phase.
Now I could take this as I can move 1" and not Incur any penalties or that I'm required to move too gain this bonus.

Thoughts

If you don't move you don't get the inch.

no move no extra inch...

That's what I thought just wanted to check.

A Normal Vehicle can move 6" and Fire Ordnance. What you cannot do is move and Fire Ordnance Barrage.

You can't +1" to your movement if you don't move. You have to move one millionth billionth of an inch to add the 1" to it, but who cares... you can roll around 7" a turn with RPJ and poop pieplates on things. You have no reason not to because you can't shoot any other weapons like Iguard lumbering Behemoths can... so there is no reason to sit still for boomwagons.

Thanks for clearing that up.

nkelsch wrote:A Normal Vehicle can move 6" and Fire Ordnance. What you cannot do is move and Fire Ordnance Barrage.

Unless it's a Fast vehicle, like a Blood Angels Whirlwind. It can move up to 6" and still fire Ordnance Barrage.

don_mondo wrote:

nkelsch wrote:A Normal Vehicle can move 6" and Fire Ordnance. What you cannot do is move and Fire Ordnance Barrage.

Unless it's a Fast vehicle, like a Blood Angels Whirlwind. It can move up to 6" and still fire Ordnance Barrage.

Or it has 'Lumbering Behemoth' special rule. It can move up to 6" and still fire all weapons.

...except Ordnance Barrage. You can fire them, but not as a Barrage

don_mondo wrote: Unless it's a Fast vehicle, like a Blood Angels Whirlwind. It can move up to 6" and still fire Ordnance Barrage.

Sorry don, like nosferatu said, not as ordnance barrage.
Refer to page 58 main rules, third paragraph under Ordnance Barrage weapons, "...only vehicles that remained stationary may fire an ordnance barrage weapon..."

nosferatu1001 wrote:...except Ordnance Barrage. You can fire them, but not as a Barrage

A Leman Russ that moved at Combat Speed or remained stationary can fire its turret weapon in addition to any other weapons it is usually allowed to fire (even if the turret weapon is ordnance!). I'm fairly certain this includes Barrage

Happyjew wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:...except Ordnance Barrage. You can fire them, but not as a Barrage

A Leman Russ that moved at Combat Speed or remained stationary can fire its turret weapon in addition to any other weapons it is usually allowed to fire (even if the turret weapon is ordnance!). I'm fairly certain this includes Barrage

In the case of the Leman Russ it really doesn't matter since none of the variants carry an ordnance barrage weapon.

Happy - it can fire the weapon, it cannot fire it as Barrage weapon. It is not a specific enough allowance to override the requirement to be stationary

Happyjew wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:...except Ordnance Barrage. You can fire them, but not as a Barrage

A Leman Russ that moved at Combat Speed or remained stationary can fire its turret weapon in addition to any other weapons it is usually allowed to fire (even if the turret weapon is ordnance!). I'm fairly certain this includes Barrage

Just to point out that while this is true, a Leman russ can only move 6" and fire all weapons if it only has 1 other weapon(and any number of defensive weapons) in addition to it's turret weapon(Added Sponsons or H/K missiles will not be able to fire along with the base hull-mount; Pintles available are all deffensive). I say this because your first post stated they could move 6" and fire all weapons.

And as already said, no LR variants can get Barrage weapons mounted in their turrets, so the whole point here is purely academic.


1 last bit: L'Shanah Tovah.

time wizard wrote:

don_mondo wrote: Unless it's a Fast vehicle, like a Blood Angels Whirlwind. It can move up to 6" and still fire Ordnance Barrage.

Sorry don, like nosferatu said, not as ordnance barrage.
Refer to page 58 main rules, third paragraph under Ordnance Barrage weapons, "...only vehicles that remained stationary may fire an ordnance barrage weapon..."

In the Fast vehicle rules(p70) it specifically tells you that you can move combat speed with a fast vehicle and still fire an ordnance barrage weapon.

time wizard wrote:

don_mondo wrote: Unless it's a Fast vehicle, like a Blood Angels Whirlwind. It can move up to 6" and still fire Ordnance Barrage.

Sorry don, like nosferatu said, not as ordnance barrage.
Refer to page 58 main rules, third paragraph under Ordnance Barrage weapons, "...only vehicles that remained stationary may fire an ordnance barrage weapon..."

Yep, and then (as Tylarion has already mentioned) Fast vehicles modifies that rule with this on page 70:

"Fast vehicles that move at combat speed may fire all of their weapons, just like other types of vehicles that have remained stationary (including ordnance barrage weapons, which cannot usually be fired on the move)."

So I stand by what I said, a Fast vehicle can move up to 6" and still fire Ordnance Barrage as Barrage.

[tangent]The Lumbering Behemoth rule actually makes the LRBT one of the most mobile tanks in 40k, ironically.

Without sponson upgrades (too expensive anyways, IMO) the LRBT can move and fire every weapon every turn. [/tangent]

No, ordnance barrage may not be fired if the vehicle has moved, unless it's fast.

+1 to movement only occurs if there is movement to add +1 to.

don_mondo wrote:
Yep, and then (as Tylarion has already mentioned) Fast vehicles modifies that rule with this on page 70:

"Fast vehicles that move at combat speed may fire all of their weapons, just like other types of vehicles that have remained stationary (including ordnance barrage weapons, which cannot usually be fired on the move)."

So I stand by what I said, a Fast vehicle can move up to 6" and still fire Ordnance Barrage as Barrage.

oops! Missed that one don! Nice catch, I stand corrected!

No, Ordnance BARRAGE must stand still to fire.

elite_dannux wrote:No, Ordnance BARRAGE must stand still to fire.

Unless it's a Fast vehicle. You did see the quote from page 70 I posted previously, right?