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HQ
Big Mek 35P

Troops
20 Ork boyz 1 Nob with PK and BP.
20 Ork Boyz 1 Nob with BC and BP.
Killa Kan with Grotzooka and Grot Riggers. 50P

Heavy support
Looted Wagon with Boomgun and Armour Plates. 115P

Ok before you say find 20 Points and get the PK let me explain this, I've played with the Two PK's and I find at this point level that one does the Job and that the 20P often make a bigger Impact on the game than the PK would.

But anyway all opinions are welcome so post your thought criticism and your 500P army list that you play with regularly so I get a feel for how mine would stand up against yours.

You need to come up with more anti tank. The strongest 500 point armies fit things like dakka preds and razor backs- sometimes in the same list! You really need a better way of dealing with that. Maybe a buzzsaw rokkit copta or 2 to alpha strike tanks, and rokkits on your kan. Also kff would be nice to keep your stuff alive.

I've also seen low point ork lists use a warboss on a bike and run him by himself. Moves fast and hits hard, and not much can id him. Having a waaagh is never bad either.
My 500 point list

[83] farseer- doom, spear
[202] 10 storm gu- 2 flamers : wave serpent- tl shuri cannon, extra shuri cannon
[134] 3 gu bikes + warlock- shuri cannon, spear, destructor
[40] war walker- 2 shuri cannons
[40] war walker- 2 shuri cannons

Basically you have no way to kill my tanks before your wagon and kan get drowned by 21 s6 shots, and I have 3 templates on highly mobile platforms with re rolls to wound for mopping up boys.

You need a way to disrupt your opponent's long range shooting and mobility. You cannot count on only facing infantry lists.

Kill the kan and pick up a KFF or squeeze in a SAG but KFF would be better. I've never seen just a big mek before, I understand if you are doing it as it is the cheapest HQ and is mandatory.

If you're keeping the kan, put rokkits on it, also, I would suggest giving you're boyz rokkits as well, you need anti tank

The problem is points. The KFF would only affect one vehicle, the Nubs can take down Tanks as can my 36" Range boomgun.

You don't think I would leave the Kan in the open do you? I put him behind BLOS cover and use him as a deterrent for Assaulting or getting near the Boomgun.

The way I play is with the Boyz at the front and Boomgun 16" behind them. So if you want too hit my Boomgun your going to be assaulted by Boyz.

Should I drop the Grot Riggers for a Rokkit Launcha? I mean hitting on a Four penatrating roughly on a four I would need at best Four shots to Penetrate. Whereas grotzookas are going to kill a lot of Infantry.

I do agree I lack Ranged anti-tank but I doubt you can kill 38 Boyz before I get you. I've played games where I let the enemy come too me and Counter charge them.

Anyway, whats a cheap and decent way for Anti-tank and what should I lose for it.

This was posted in my 500pts ork thread maybe you can try it out with me

Boris420 wrote:In my most humble opinion, 500 pts is where you fit in as many Orks as possible. Your Kans will die fast. The KFF will be hosed down to Str 6-7 shots. I have tried using 2x 20 boyz/nob's with PK's/BP's + 10 grots even with KFF or Warboss. I cannot stress enough taking more boyz because believe me, I have tried out many 500 pt lists. Out of all of them, the strongest had this setup:

Big Mek. Shoota/Rokkit combi. Ammo Runt.

22 Boyz. Nob. Big Choppa. Boss Pole.

22 Boyz. Nob. Big Choppa. Boss Pole.

22 Boyz. Nob. Big Choppa. Boss Pole.

499 pts. Powerklaws are a liability until at least 600 pts. You need bodies here. Same goes for the KFF. 67 models, sergeants with Str 7 on the charge for any transports, Big Mek is just there for compulsory reasons similar to Smurfs taking Librarians at small pts levels. Spare 9 points gave me a rokkit with an ammo runt so he could leave a unit right before they assault and (hopefully) pop a rhino.


IMAGINE if your kans faced this (Tau) army:

Shas'el. Burst Cannon. Missile Pod. Multi-tracker. Target Lock.

2 Crisis Suits. Burst cannons. Missile Pods. Multi-trackers. (each)

2 Crisis Suits. Burst cannons. Missile Pods. Multi-trackers. (each)

2 Crisis Suits. Burst cannons. Missile Pods. Multi-trackers. (each)

6 Firewarriors.

6 Firewarriors.

500 pts. 10 Str 7 shots at 48" on AP 3 JSJ units. 35 shots at 18" range. (And that's just the crisis suits )

You are counting way to much on your Boomgun doing everything.

Consider- you've got one gun you can point to and use as anti tank- you've got all your hopes in a gun that can only shoot at 1 target a turn, is only protected by av11, and has a 1/6 chance of "pressing dat"...

Look at my list, all those s6 shots are spread out between 4 different units. Even if you get first turn- even if you roll perfectly, and kill one unit per shot with the boom gun- I easily have enough fire power to silence those guns- even a shaken result keeps you from shooting. Remember between outflanking and 24 inch turbo boosts, it may be impossible to fully protect your boom gun from vicious amounts of s6 fire.

Look at that Tau list, they'll silence your guns pretty quickly as well. Bladestorm suits are great in low point games, and they are also effective at engaging everything your army has to offer.

Here is a Space Mahreen list I saw on Dakka and was impressed with a while back

Leonidus wrote:
HQ:

Librarian
Avenger
Gate of infinity
Melta bombs

TROOPS:

Space Marine Tactical Squad
10 x marines
Missile Launcher
Flamer
Razorback w/ tl h.bolters

Scout Squad
4 x Snipers
Missile launcher
Camo cloaks

HEAVY SUPPORT

Predator
H. bolter sponsons

Total 500

You won't out shoot this list. Notice how his heavy weapons are spread out as wide as possible. Auto cannon heavy bolters on the Pred, missiles on the combat squad and the scouts, heavy bolter on the Razor, and a Flamer and Avenger inside the Razor for nuking hordes.

Your list may be fine against other casual 500 point lists, but it doesn't have the redundancy or fire power needed to compete with strong 500 point builds.

Since when have Orks gone for firepower?
40 Boyz equals 2.5 Times more Infantry han that list.
A boomgun shot cam take out a whole squad and a tank and with the War walkers being in squadrons I could take out about 2-3 A turn luck depending.

My boys will silence the Heavy weapons since you'd be shredded in combat.
I've run the KFF it's not fun. You sit back and roll 4-5's yes it's saved some Hides but the Kan has locked entire squads in combat.

How many boyz is a good amount for 500P.
I ran 30 but I found that not enough.

Why do you have to sit back with a KFF. You walk with it up the field. No sitting back.

This is my 500 point list for the Orks


Mek
-KFF
15xboys
-Nob PK,BShoota
Dread
-2xsBShootas
2xKans
-Rokkits
2xKans
-Rokkits

Works pretty well, its undefeted. Its hard to get enough anti-tank to deall with all the walkers. But thats just my play style too.

Goodluck!

Thanks but I try too be original. What would Compliment the Boomgun best?

I don't think you are understanding what I mean when I type "silence your guns".

All I have to do to stop all your long range anti tank support- the boom gun- from firing is get a shaken result on a single av11 tank.

To silence my shuriken cannon spam, you need to shake 1 av 12 tank and shake or tie up / destroy 2 separate av 10 walkers, and a squadron of jetbikes (no point runnign walkers in squadrons when there are free heavy support slots- splitting fire is far superior to offering up more kill points). My Fire Power is more dispersed among my army.

Don't forget that since Eldar have crazy mobility- my walkers can outflank, my tank and bikes can turbo boost 24 inches, and move and shoot 12. How are you going to tie me up in melee when I'm shooting 24 inch range guns from platforms that can move 12 inches a turn?

Of course your boyz will beat my stuff in combat, and thats why everybody is saying go for redundancy- so that you have more bodies to fill up the board and corner my stuff so that I can't escape.

Look at Balsak_da_mighty's list. Pure armor saturation, the opponent has to deal with 5 walkers protected by a 4+ cover save, and hes launching 4 rokkits a turn from 2 different squads.

Boris420's list as well. Pure troop saturation- taking advantage of people's tendency to build lists to counter enemy armor, and just filling the board with 67 t4 models in 500 points.

Your list has a mix of light armor and infantry. It lacks the focus of the previously mentioned ork lists and is therefore easier to counter and less dangerous over all.

If you want to make people eat boomgun blasts you are going to need at least 2 looted tanks. If you want people to get sliced up on your choppas you are going to need a lot more choppas. You need to pick a theme and stick with it, and cram as much stuff into your list as humanly possible.

My list for instance the goal was to cram as much mobile s6 shooting as I could feasibly fit into a 500 point list while still obeying force organization.

Point taken revising list now.