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So my FLGS are having a 1000pt tournament and I was playing with ideas. I realise I'm a little low on troops (definitely have to babysit them carefully) but on the upside there's 4 tanks, 2 dreads and 3 MM attack bikes zipping around. I'm also debaiting the merits of Assault Cannons vs. Las/Plas on the razorbacks, las/plas means I have a reliable anti-TEQ and can hide them at the back of the board, where as AssCannon's are more shots/can move 6" and still fire everything. All comments and critisms welcome.

Librarian (Avenger & Might of Ancients) 100pts

Dreadnought (Twin-linked Autocannon, Twin-linked Autocannon) 125pts
Dreadnought (Twin-linked Autocannon, Twin-linked Autocannon) 125pts

Combat squad 90pts
Combat squad 90pts
Razorback (w/Twin-linked Assault Cannon) 75pts
Razorback (w/Twin-linked Assault Cannon) 75pts

Predator (Autocannon & Heavy Bolters) 85pts
Predator (Autocannon & Heavy Bolters) 85pts

Attack Bike (Multi-melta) 50pts
Attack Bike (Multi-melta) 50pts
Attack Bike (Multi-melta) 50pts


Total 1000pt

Interesting

You are right to point out your squishy troops

I would also suggest your weapons are not very good at taking down bulk tough troops

How are you going to handle a few grey hunter squads with power fists closing in on you? Heavy bolters will sting them but if they catch either of your two troops and its an objective mission your toast.

If you want razorbacks I would suggest full tac squads combat squadded leaving a lascannon up back (hope they pass LD..) and take the SGT with cm, fist, mg in those razors

bikes are easy to kill and so just a glass gun platform, toughen your weapons platforms but using power armoured bodies - cm, pf, m, mm tacs in rhino are gold, solid as a rock and able to pop raiders

I think your list does well at anti armour, but not well with what comes out of those boxes..

DOnt mean to sound harsh but 11 bodies with a ton of armour and a few bikes leaves you pretty thin on the ground

Actually for 1000 pts you have nice numher of models, selection and range of firepower. The 24'' range of the assault cannon would worry me slightly as clearly you need to keep those cannons rolling.

Would 2 double multimelta landspeeders be better than three attack bikes? They are suicide units anyway.

If your only running two troops in razors then what MFletch has suggested about the speeders could work. Being speeders rather than bikes more armour killing weapons may focus on the speeders rather than your razors especially if you play aggressively with them leaving your razors some much needed breathing space. However its a hard choice give the attack bikes will survive longer with 2 wounds and hard to ID with T5 and they may attract the same amount of firepower if also played aggressively. Sounds like a play test decision

Loricatus Aurora wrote:Interesting

You are right to point out your squishy troops

I would also suggest your weapons are not very good at taking down bulk tough troops
How are you going to handle a few grey hunter squads with power fists closing in on you? Heavy bolters will sting them but if they catch either of your two troops and its an objective mission your toast.
Shoot them! You're looking at 12 autocannon shots, 12 heavy bolter shots, 8 Assault Cannon shots which yes you get an armour save against but due to weight of fire the GH would die/be severely thinned by the time they actually arrived (plus the librarian has avenger which is an ap3 flamer). Of course playing aginst SW means I'd probably have to shoot the long fangs first or be buried by missiles, but hopefully I'd be able to sufficently thin them to then focus on the GH squads

If you want razorbacks I would suggest full tac squads combat squadded leaving a lascannon up back (hope they pass LD..) and take the SGT with cm, fist, mg in those razors

bikes are easy to kill and so just a glass gun platform, toughen your weapons platforms but using power armoured bodies - cm, pf, m, mm tacs in rhino are gold, solid as a rock and able to pop raiders
The squad you've suggested are nice (but expensive), also land raiders generally have something assaulty inside, at which point you definitely don't want to have to be in 6" melta range, bikes are basically mobile multi-meltas (and surprisingly tough to kill).
I think your list does well at anti armour, but not well with what comes out of those boxes..
(see earlier comment about weapons being fired)
DOnt mean to sound harsh but 11 bodies with a ton of armour and a few bikes leaves you pretty thin on the ground
It's not harsh, I agree my troops are squishy, this list has sacrified troops for lots and lots of shooting, so providing my tanks aren't all shot up in the first turn (worried about IG, SW, DE), everything else trying to kill my troops has to weather alot of fire power.

MFletch wrote:Actually for 1000 pts you have nice numher of models, selection and range of firepower. The 24'' range of the assault cannon would worry me slightly as clearly you need to keep those cannons rolling.

Would 2 double multimelta landspeeders be better than three attack bikes? They are suicide units anyway.

I'm leaning towards las/plas rather than the AssCannon as it fits better with the long range fire storm I'm putting out, makes the razorbacks more surviable (can take 2 weapon destroyed results) and gets nasty in the 12" range (twin-linked plasma gun FTW). The dual MM speeder is an interesting idea, I'll have a look see if I've got a spare MM for my speeder.

An alternative list with more durable troops would be

Librarian (Avenger & Null zone) 100pts

Tactical squad (bp & cs, melta-gun, Multi-melta) 175pts
Tactical squad (combi-flamer, flamer, Missile Launcher) 180pts
Razorback 40pts
Rhino 35pts

Predator (Autocannon & Heavy Bolters) 85pts
Predator (Autocannon & Heavy Bolters) 85pts
Thunderfire Cannon 100pts

Attack Bikes (2) (Multi-meltas) 100pts
Attack Bikes (2) (Multi-meltas) 100pts

Total 990pt

Which now has 4 troops, but much less long range fire power and tanks ad would have to be more aggressive to capitalise on the increase of bolters/flamers.



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Brother-Captain Scotti wrote:If your only running two troops in razors then what MFletch has suggested about the speeders could work. Being speeders rather than bikes more armour killing weapons may focus on the speeders rather than your razors especially if you play aggressively with them leaving your razors some much needed breathing space. However its a hard choice give the attack bikes will survive longer with 2 wounds and hard to ID with T5 and they may attract the same amount of firepower if also played aggressively. Sounds like a play test decision

Hey Dude, glad someone else apreciates the awesomeness that is attack bikes, unfortunately they're only T4(5) so they still get ID'd by Str8, but getting a 3+ cover save for tubo boosting, ability to use area terrain and small size makes them easy to hide. I'm agreeing about play testing though.

*bump* anyone else care to comment?

Please don't *bump* you're own posts, people will comment when they feel they have something to add,

as for the list...It seems like you have a good number of models on the field for 1k points, you're troops are a bit squishy, but if you keep them out of LOS you should be fine as you blast things away with the rest of you're army.

bombboy1252 wrote:Please don't *bump* you're own posts, people will comment when they feel they have something to add,

as for the list...It seems like you have a good number of models on the field for 1k points, you're troops are a bit squishy, but if you keep them out of LOS you should be fine as you blast things away with the rest of your army.

Can you suggest a viable alternative to thread bumping that keeps the thread alive/people aware of it?
Cheers for the list approval :-D

CaptainJay wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:Please don't *bump* you're own posts, people will comment when they feel they have something to add,

as for the list...It seems like you have a good number of models on the field for 1k points, you're troops are a bit squishy, but if you keep them out of LOS you should be fine as you blast things away with the rest of your army.

Can you suggest a viable alternative to thread bumping that keeps the thread alive/people aware of it?
Cheers for the list approval :-D

No their isn't

when people didn't post on my army list thread, I just let it die....

bombboy1252 wrote:

CaptainJay wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:Please don't *bump* you're own posts, people will comment when they feel they have something to add,

as for the list...It seems like you have a good number of models on the field for 1k points, you're troops are a bit squishy, but if you keep them out of LOS you should be fine as you blast things away with the rest of your army.

Can you suggest a viable alternative to thread bumping that keeps the thread alive/people aware of it?
Cheers for the list approval :-D

No their isn't

when people didn't post on my army list thread, I just let it die....

I guess that's where we differ, plus if people don't see it obviously they won't comment on it so "bumping" it seems a valid thing to do if I want to increase the response level.