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Plastic colonial marines? Ooooh. I'll use my great precog powers to foretel that I will be buying some of these...if there are alternate heads; I dont like those helmets. Open backed helmet? No thanks.

solkan wrote:I really hope their miniatures are better than their website, because this is what I get when attempting to go look:

Fatal error: PCRE is not compiled with UTF-8 support in /home/dfg54/defiancegames.com/libraries/phputf8/utf8.php on line 49

QFT. It makes complete sense that these are the same people that helped ruin WGF. The hurp durp continues. Sad though because I really like the sample marines.

This is the internet, incoherent raging is what it's all about.

The first thing under "Fiction" is almost verbatim from the movie Aliens.

"Is this going to be a stand up fight or another bug hunt, sir?"

"That's enough private," Sergeant Johnson snapped. "Eyes front and listen to the Lieutenant!"

Lieutenant Gordon cleared her throat. "As I was saying, our last communication from Eden was inconclusive. The colonists have most likely had a technical communication problem...

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

Unless that is the role that the 'hard suits' are going to be used for ie EVA's, Boarding missions, vacuum combat etc etc etc. If they function simular to the USMC of today, then the Navy would be a 'black navy' (space) with the marines being the main fighting force from those ships. They will have a intergrated combined arms approach with their own landing crafts, logistics, armour (maybe the hard suits or some kind of IFV, APC) artillery and air cover ( orbital, atmospheric or both maybe?). I would see each space shp as being 'self sufficent' in battle depending on the size of the engagment. Keeping the spirit of the MAGTF would be a great idea and would make total sence considering the distances between planets.... unless you have 'The Plot tm' needing some kind of handwavium solution so that ships can move around alot faster.

From the fluff they've written on their site, the models we're seeing currently are ground-based troopers, not space combatants.

Yeah, let's all run around with our hair on fire over an obvious test piece. They're not in production yet so please take a breath and relax until we see an actual production version.

lord marcus wrote:

agnosto wrote:Yeah, let's all run around with our hair on fire over an obvious test piece. They're not in production yet so please take a breath and relax until we see an actual production version.

Thats what I'm trying to say. They should show more physical product or masters of product. The 3D renders that some manufacturers are using will not generate the appeal or true look of a physical model, and are impractical in attempting to do that.

That shot is obviously of a 3d printed product, look at the lack of detail in the fingers and overall lack of sharpness. It's fine if you take it for what it is, an early proto-type and not the finished product. Think of it in videogame terms, it's an alpha release. We'll see but I quite like the marines and wouldn't expect the germans to be any less detailed so all the "well, I won't buy it now" comments are a bit premature.

Slipstream wrote:Ok, after keeping an eye on this post for a while now and only seeing rare updates I've got to ask Defiance: When the hell are you actually going to release anything for sale? Its alright posting stuff for feedback and all, but there comes a time when you have to put your money where your mouth is! So when will they be appearing in shops?

This may be taken wrong but, you realize that Dakka is not the sum of the internet or even tabletop gaming, right? They've never actually posted anything on Dakka as far as I know. Some people copied things from their website; I recommend you look there by googling "Defiance Games" where there are numerous updates and even an online store to buy the Marines which are available for sale.

The Warstore has their marines for sale the last I checked.

Huh. Well, I owe an apology for being wrong. I think I'd be royally irked if I had paid money with the understanding of an earlier release only to be constantly put on hold. On the other hand, it's good that they're supplying status reports of a sort even though they haven't even said how soon, "soon" is.

I hope they at least kick in a sprue or two for those that pre-paid months ago and have been waiting.

I really like what Defiance is doing, taking people's money and missing stated deadlines for production. /sarcasm

Really, I'm glad I didn't pre-order because I'd be royally POd.

Considering they're going on 2 months behind schedule to produce ANYTHING, I'd hold off on dripping praise all over them and preparing to hand out your money.

I was excited until the same sort of issues this group put people through when they ran WGF started creeping up. Now I'm in a "wait and see if it actually happens" mode.

winnertakesall wrote:

Unfortunately that was the fault of the guys producing the sprues, not Defiance Games themselves, as well as the new techniques for moulding allowing them to create better sprues and detail.

After all, wouldn't you rather have much better quality, and more for your money? At least Defiance Games are providing regular news on the goings on.

It's always someone else's fault. These guys always have good ideas, grand plans and then it all falls apart... meanwhile, they're sitting on people's money who have yet to actually get any benefit except more excuses and a few pictures of machinery parts. I don't doubt that they'll eventually (note that word) release a product; it's just that my initial plans to buy from them have been reconsidered since we obviously can't trust their word.

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:The USMC mould has been cut, and the first cast is scheduled for Monday.

Awsome 404 error. =o[


I hope the plastic starts flowing soon so they can get this behind them and bring out the Germans and the USMC Hardsuits. =o]

Live link:
http://www.defiancegames.com/index.php/news

They were supposed to be in production by the end of this week but I guess Monday's not too bad since they're already more than 2 months late as is. I'd personally be looking for some interest in the form of extra miniatures from Defiance if I were a pre-paid customer, the incessant delays are reaching ridiculous level now.

The models look nice, we'll just have to see if anything actually makes it out the door. [/sarcasm]

Nevermind, stopped caring.

So, why again are they offering items for sale without any clear indication of items not being available? Their website even says the Marines are "In Stock".

As a business that crosses state lines, if someone were to be negatively affected from my state they could file suit under the state's consumer protection act which includes a maximum $10,000 fine per instance since they are offering something that they are incapable of producing.

Title 15, Section 751 of the state code allows suit for a number of offences including two that might be met here:
Advertising goods or services with intent not to sell them as advertised. (Buy Now! In Stock)
Advertising goods or services with intent not to supply reasonable expected public demand, unless the advertisement prominently discloses a limitation of quantity. (You have to go to the News section, no where on the splash page is it indicated that the items are not actually available).

I'm sure the owners are upstanding citizens and would refund anyone who asks but they could just avoid any confusion with a simple "disclosure" on the home page of their website indicating that the goods are not actually available for immediate sale.

Xeno wrote:Yes, I will agree that they need be a little clearer on this, but there's no deception.

Thanks for posting that. I never noticed the "Pre-Order!", probably because it's not "Prominently" displayed whereas the big green "In Stock" is.

Obviously my oversight and the fact there's a giant "ORDER NOW!" on the splash page with no mention of "Pre-order".

Order now, we'll ship in January!

Order now, we'll ship in March!

Order now, we'll ship????

Not a very professional way to start a business; once bitten, twice shy I say. You can "cover" the wheretos and whys all you want but the fact is that the company has already missed two deadlines and has even stopped providing updates. Where is the promised update that was supposed to be "Next week" (dated 3/22)?

Because business stops when you visit relatives. And that is why, unfortunately, Defiance will remain a small, two-bit operation...because it's run like one.

And only 6 months behind schedule!
At this rate, they'll run themselves out of business inside a year unless they can keep selling the marines because I don't see people trusting their release schedule and plunking down pre-order money.

Quite sad, really; I had high hopes for them when they first started up....

Ramshackle_Curtis wrote:Yeah, Tony said he had done research on it.

Obviously not enough.

At least he caught his error in time, apparently.

*wince*

Girls with guns? The "I want female IG." grunters are going to love this. Might be a smart business move....if they actually start getting kits out the door that is.

And considering dreamforge is going to be selling their models through WGF....

There's no reason to stick with Defiance unless you like disappointment..

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
And considering dreamforge is going to be selling their models through WGF....

There's no reason to stick with Defiance unless you like disappointment..

Or you would like something that doesn't look like they would say "mein Herr, these are not the droids we are looking for". That said, Defiance isn't managing to bring forth much other than disappointment.

lol

Meanwhile I'm getting my plastic crack from Dreamforge on Monday from Mark's kickstarter....miniatures made in China by the company Tony blames for all his ills...relatively on time and, by all accounts of those that have already received their goods, high quality plastic miniatures...

If that's a promo-shot.... poor, poor customers. It's like someone took the pic with a trac-phone and then enlarged the .5 megapixel image.

I like this thread. It keeps reminding me how lucky I was when I decided not to buy from these jokers.

Sining wrote:
Is it just me or is one leg for the mech a lot thicker than the other one

Not just you. The white parts appear to be made out of plaster.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Or, as it says with the picture, since this is pre-production, they are working out the casting kinks and showing us the WIP.

How dare you come in here and try to ruin my smear campaign!

Good day sir! I said good day!

Looks like Dreamforge's Zeus a bit.

 RiTides wrote:
I'm baffled why people continue to stay so interested in what Defiance is doing, with their past record...

Me too but it's like a train wreck; I can't help but stop in and look when I see this thread pop up again and again with a succession of one terrible model after another.

Oh, this trainwreck again. I can't believe people still give these jokers their money; it's like throwing it away.

I was going to buy a heap of Marines when they were first released but didn't when they were still preorder and the website said they were in stock. If you can't be bothered to keep your information straight, I can't be bothered to give you my money...and I'm now most certainly glad I didn't.

I agree with Chris in that Wargames Factory seems to be doing much better now without Tony than it ever did with him (witness the partnership with Dreamforge) which is another strike against Tony considering he can't even supply people with product they pay for.