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Ive asked for some tactics on necrons before. But it hasnt been enough.

I started Warhammer about a year ago but ive been off warhammer for the summer and now ive started again. And all i can say is that im getting my ass kicked.

I played two games the other day, one against Space Wolves and the other it was a 2v2, me playing with Necrons and friend with Tyranids against Dark Angels and Space Wolves.

I know Space Wolves are overpowered, but it cant be that we stood no chance. There was not evena single moment in the game when things went well. My lord got killed on first turn together with my ResurrectionOrb dependant plans.

Details: Game went for 570 points and i took a Fully equiped lord and two necron squads of 10 warriors. (200 + 180 + 180)
The lord had Phylactery, Warsythe, GoF, RO (and i think thats it but i might be forgetting something)

Anyways, id like some good advice on not losing or not losing as bad, against Space Marines. Cause those matches really frustrated me, as i stood there, impotent, watching the mareens take down all of my necrons.

Another thing was, that we didnt do phaze out, cause it was bad enough as it was! And i still got owned.

You only have 570 points? And those were spent entirely on a Lord and 2 sets of Warriors? No wonder you lost - it's not that the Wolves are "overpowered" here, it's that you didn't have nearly enough points to field a real list.

Warriors are a really underwhelming unit, they will die badly in assault. The Lord is good, but without any support he's not going to do much. You need to play games around 1500-2000pts or you will continue to lose like this. You need Destroyers, Wraiths and Monoliths - then the Space Wolves will have something to think about.

so basically imma have to spend more moneh than what i have already spent on monoliths...

Right now i have:
3 lords one lord converted from a warrior
60 warriors more or less
5 destroyers
6 flayed ones
14 swarms
3 immortals

how many monoliths do you reccon i should get?

and wraiths?, but ill wait to see if they go plastic which they hopefully will do.

You can live without Wraiths, but they are very deadly. A couple Monoliths would be good, but the Necrons are likely getting an update soon so it's probably better to bite the bullet and wait to see what the new codex will look like.

And once i have my monoliths together how would i fight some SM?

Either run them ahead of your units to screen them, or deep strike them right into your enemy's face. You can also teleport your Warriors if the enemy gets into assault with them, which is very handy.

huzzah for getting back into Necrons (I just dusted off my own set this last week and played a few games with them)

I would agree with Andilus. You need to play at higher points. You simply don't have the wiggle room the newer codices have at lower levels (A basic Lord with Res Orb and two squads of 10 warriors is 500 points...). Also, he's right. Get some Liths. If played right, these suckers are nigh unstoppable. (In both the games I played this week, I ran three liths each, only one died, and that was from a lucky lascannon shot on turn 2.)

I personally use them as a moving wall in front of my army. This allows two things, 1) they can't shot down my C'tan before he's where he wants to be, and 2) when my wraiths get in position and get into combat, I can pull them out of combat to charge again (and get more guys up from second try we'll be back rolls)

I would strongly suggest seeing if you can't find some wraiths. I have found they earn their points back pretty easy, especially when tagged with a Destroyer Lord w/ warscythe. But if you want to wait and see what happens, I wouldn't blame ya. If you do that though, I would suggest trading them out for the swarms. The little buggers are deadly as all else when turbo boosted (2+ cover save) and with disruption fields, they can do some damage to vehicles.

Having flayed ones deepstrike in the middle of my Tau gunline sucks...

See, I run a nice 1500pt armylist that runs a lith, 2 maxed lords (One foot, one destroyer), 2 ten man warrior squads, and four destroyers. It usually has a nice time mopping up after a good day of slaughter in the name of chao... the nightbringer.

Use the Liths (I usually run 2) as walls.

Put your units behind them and use them to soak fire while they drift across the field, nuking units and vehicles.

Use the destroyers to harry a flank, and take out light transports (rhinos) and spam fire on small units (long fangs).

Swarms are nasty if outflanked and given disruption fields. I've glanced down many a tank that way, and wrecked a few fast skimmers that went flat out the turn before i came in right next to them (immobilized = dead then ). This works well on Landspeeders.

All in all though, i'm afraid you're going to have to proxy some models in (flayed ones and immortals in those numbers just die. Maxed squads have more chance of survival, and the firepower from a full squad of immortals can be impressive if you Veil of Darkness them with a lord behind someone.

I'd ask and see if your opponent will let you proxy ffor a bit.

Also, and most important, make sure you are both playing at EQUAL POINTS. Playing 'whatever i got' is going to get you owned hard, as usually the person suggesting this has more models than you. Play on an even footing. (not sure if this applies to your situation, but you'd be amazed how often this one crops up )

Have you tried reading Dash's Necron guide?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/366520.page

Good place to start.

Another good source of info is Fritz's guide; but he makes you pay to read it. Most of the same stuff you'll read in dash's, but with a few added tricks and different opinions.

The problem you're having right now is lack of points. Necrons are the oldest codex right now, so if you are playing games under 1500pts, you won't stand much of a chance. Fewer points = harder to win for Necrons atm. If you HAVE to change this right now, buy 2 monoliths. If you don't mind waiting a bit, save your money until the next issue of white dwarf comes out. All signs are pointing to a new necron codex in November. If this is true, we should have at least SOME hint of this in Octobers issue.

Saving your hard earned cash for shiny new units might be the best thing for you to do

Ya i'd recommend dash's guide, but it may be best to stop buying stuff until the new Dex comes out.

really depends how you use them, I won a 1250 tournament with two monoliths, the nightbringer and two minimum squads of warriors. Two of the three games I played against were psi-ammo dreds/power armor grey night things with s5 storm bolters, it was great they couldn't touch me. 23 models ftw.

Raudius wrote:Ive asked for some tactics on necrons before. But it hasnt been enough.

Details: Game went for 570 points and i took a Fully equiped lord and two necron squads of 10 warriors. (200 + 180 + 180)
The lord had Phylactery, Warsythe, GoF, RO (and i think thats it but i might be forgetting something)

Anyways, id like some good advice on not losing or not losing as bad, against Space Marines. Cause those matches really frustrated me, as i stood there, impotent, watching the mareens take down all of my necrons.

Another thing was, that we didnt do phaze out, cause it was bad enough as it was! And i still got owned.

I think the first rule with Necrons is that you simply can't win at such a small game. The basic troops cost way too much to be able to put something effective together.

I used to play mine at around 500pts against Marines, 'Nids and Chaos Marines. Every single one of them curb stomped me. Repeatedly. The worst part being that the 'Nids are run by a 7 year old and the Chaos Marines by a 9 year old... I did win one game at that level though... and found out later that they both felt sorry for me and intentionally threw it (fyi - they're my kids). A quick scolding and they'll never do that again...

Anyway, when we jumped the game size up to around 1500 pts a side, things became more ... interesting. At that level you can field decent screens for your warriors. Examples are tarpitting troublesome units with scarabs, or using monolith(s) to both hide behind and zap numerous enemy troops. I'd say the minimum size is around 1250 points; with at least one 'lith... 2 are fun though.