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Made in us
Paladin of the Wall




I will be in a team tournament with 1000 points per team member (teams of 2) soon. I will not know my allied army or the missions until play starts. I will list the armies that I know people at my game store have played at the end, as this will give a better idea of what I might fight.

The models I have include the following:

Emperor's Champion
Black Reach Set (I did buy assault cannons for the terminators though)
Tactical Squad w/ BT Chapter Upgrade (One of these guys is used as my marshal)
5 marines with bolters
Razorback (I do use it as a Rhino also)
LRC

The List:
HQ:
-Emperor's Champion with AAC-140
-Marshal with power weapon, BP-96

Elites:
-Dreadnought: Multi-melta, extra armor, smoke-123

Troops:
-Crusader Squad: 9 initiates, 8 bolters, Meltagun, and frags riding in Rhino with extra armor and smoke-236
-Crusader Squad: 8 initiates, BP/CCWx7, Power Fist and frags riding in LRC w/Blessed Hull-441

Total=1036

I would love for suggestions on how to trim the 36 points (preferably without choosing a different vow) and/or ideas for better builds with the models I have. The marshal will ride in the Rhino and the EC will ride in the LRC.

Comments on choosing the LRC: I am fully aware that having the LRC is a massive points drain. However, I will not have the money to buy any models before the tournament, and I do not want to footslog squads. Also, I cannot drop blessed hull, as there are too many 'nid players who love Zonathropes too much at my game store. Hopefully, someone will have a Rhino or two that i can borrow, so i will take two crusader squads in Rhinos to replace the squad in the LRC.

Possible allies/enemies. Each line is all of the armies I have seen one person play. If you are at my store, please do not be offended if I get your army choices wrong.

1: Blood Angels or Space Wolves
2: Chaos Marines or Space Wolves
3: Blood Angels or Codex Marines
4: Tyranid or Black Templars (Normally a judge, plays if empty slots)
5: Tyranids or Black Templars (Most likely Tyranids)
6: Eldar or IG
7: IG
8: Space Wolves
9: IG
10: Chaos Marines
11: Necrons
12: Necrons
13: Tau
14: Tau
15: Templars
16: Tyranids

From 3++

"Because your captain is smarter than Belial and all templar commanders ever, he doesn't discard his iron halo when you dress him up as a terminator. Remember this." 
   
Made in us
Long-Range Black Templar Land Speeder Pilot




Indiana

Drop the PF on your Crusaders. It's only 1 base attack for them. Outfit your Marshal with something to fight hard targets.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2011/10/02 08:30:48


My Armies:
- Death Wing and Green Wing
- Tacticals and Devastators
- Retired

 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




I think you should play the team odds.
I would take the termies and then make two 5 man squads with melta and missile launcher one gets a lazback. Yes, a lazback is expensive but not compared to a rhino.

Most armies could do with a hard unit like termies, give them tank hunters.
Also most armies there will be better at cc then you so shouldn't go for the 'my men will do the cc'.

Either you will be with a shooty army and then join them shooting. Or you will be with an assaulting army so will be supplying the covering fire.
   
Made in us
Paladin of the Wall




@Movac: OK. Two considerations. First, i do not have an extra power weapon model, and the PF gets me some more wound allocation voodoo. Second, if I drop the PF, I would take melta bombs on the marshal, not a powerfist as I5 is too good to waste. Do you agree?

@MFletch: The terminators would be a good investment. I see your point about shooting. With tank hunters on the terminators, does anyone know the math on killing vehicles with the assault cannons? I have killed a redeemer before with them.

General question: Would it be worth giving one model in the BP/CCW crusader squad a bolter in order to get around the assaulting requirement of AAC?

If I did the math correct, changing troops to two 5 man squads with melta/ML and melta/PF or ML respectively, giving them frags, putting one in a lazerback and taking the terminators puts me at 938. Pimp out the marshal with the extra points?

From 3++

"Because your captain is smarter than Belial and all templar commanders ever, he doesn't discard his iron halo when you dress him up as a terminator. Remember this." 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




TL assault cannons are better against vehicles than TL lazers. The general advice is if you'll be in range go for assault cannons.
   
 
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