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this is a list that i need to get checked out to see if its any good in any 1500 pt game

HQ: Abaddon (275)

Deamon Prince with Mark of Khorn+wings (140)

Troops: 19 marines with 2 flamers (295)

8 Khorn bezerkers with a skull champ+power weapon (198)

Vehicles: 2 Rhinos with Deamonic possession (110)

1 defiler with 2 DCCWs (150)

Land Raider with Deamonic posession (240)


the plan here is to put Abbadon and the Bezerkers in the Land Raider and charge them with the defiler and prince towards the enemy while the marines provide covering fire from a distance, the sheer ammount of dangerous things should be enough to get at least someone within range to destroy the enemy in CC.

hand banana wrote:HQ: Abaddon

A bit of a points sink for 1500, but 'tis quite a bad ass.

hand banana wrote: Deamon Prince with Mark of Khorn+wings

The "Two HQ" power tippage, meaning they're quite a hand full for a 1500 enemy to handle. Risky.

hand banana wrote:Troops: 19 marines with 2 flamers

Foot slogger. Avoidable and not a big obstacle ... to over come. And flamers? Not PGs nor melta?

hand banana wrote: 8 Khorn bezerkers with a skull champ+power weapon

The Champ ought to have MBs for the occasional Dreadnaught tarpit.

hand banana wrote:Vehicles: 2 Rhinos with Deamonic possession

Why two rhinos? Only one can be used. Are they intended to be Cover for the big crew? Did I miss something? It'd be better to split the big unit in half and fill the rhinos.

hand banana wrote:1 defiler with 2 DCCWs (150)
Land Raider with Deamonic posession (240)

Both ugly in their own way.

hand banana wrote: the plan here is to put Abbadon and the Bezerkers in the Land Raider and charge them with the defiler and prince towards the enemy while the marines provide covering fire from a distance, the sheer ammount of dangerous things should be enough to get at least someone within range to destroy the enemy in CC.

With bolters and two flamers? I don't think so.

Current meta: SW, GK and DE sees this list getting clobbered. What's your local scene look like?

I probably should have written this better, but i will put as many marines as possable into the Rhinos to get close and shoot for some time, i figure the flamers will help if the enemy gets close but then again, im new to 40k so thats probably a waste of points.

i currently have no idea what my local scene looks like, so lets presume marines and dark eldar for now, or whatever is overused and overpowered

either way i need to find somthing for the marines to do, so i figured they could shoot while the bezerkers went with Abbadon

I would modify the list to have two squads of 10 CSM with meltas (you'll need can openers) and each squad in a rhino. You said you needed something for the marines to do, well that's capturing points. The rhinos can drive them up and protect them while they wait for the end of the game. I prefer the meltas to PG simply because drop podding dreads or last second skimmers trying to contest points need to be dealt with quick and fast. Defiler can toss some plates around, but so could a vindy or Oblits, each of them have their own strengths and weaknesses though. Khorne DP isn't all that great for what it adds, you might have better luck with a nurgle prince for the extra hardiness or a lash prince to help you manipulate enemy lines. Tzeentch are also fun as well since you can fire two abilities.

adding one more marine and giving the marines meltas sounds like a very good idea, and the Prince will probably be a nurgle Prince to help out Abbadon with killing everything.


anymore suggestions will be helpful

hand banana wrote:i currently have no idea what my local scene looks like, so lets presume marines and dark eldar for now, or whatever is overused and overpowered

Gk and Blood Angels tend to flood the RTTs. I'm the only DE in a large group of guys.

if ANYONE is still reading this, is this a better army list

HQ: Abbadon and a Deamon Prince+wings, nurgle mark

Troops: 20 CSM with 3 meltas

8 Khorn Bezerkers+ skull champ with power wep

Vehicles: 2 posessed Rhinos

2 Chaos Dreadnoughts, both with 2 DCCWs+flamer upgrade

1 posessed Land Raider


well hows this list guys for a 1500 pt army

HQ -For 1500 points having two HQs is alot of pts to invest in one area you should field one HQ i believe, Abaddon is far too expensive in 1500 point games. Your Nurgle demon prince with wings and + Warptime would be a good choice.

Elites - stay away from dreadnaughts they are a horrible chaos unit.

Troops-Hurray for berzerkers CC beats toss em in a rhino and kill main burn, daemon possesion on the rhino if youd like always a good idea

Heavy support - A landraider is also expensive to have in a 1500 point game, i know your thinking that having a landraider with daemon possesion with Abaddon and his Berzerkers backing him up is awesome but its alot of points for a speartip, although hella cool lol, i actually have a LR with DP + Abaddon+8zerkers but thats a 2000 point game.

Id try and loose the dreadnaughts and spend points elsewhere maybe Raptors to go with the DP ?

Or loose Abaddon and the LR for 9 zerkers in a rhino with Kharn the betrayer, more optimal for 1500 points...

Why not loose the 20 csm for a squad of plague marines and a rhino for objectice holding or something i dont know if you like them or you have a certain look for fluff you wana go by but hopefully some of this is helpful GL

i think my 20 CSM with 3 meltas might be better than 14 plague marines with 1 melta, unless you can prove me wrong.

also Kharn and his Bezerkers might be better in the Land Raider for safety, as a Rhino is easily destroyed and i desperately want Kharn to get into battle as soon as possable.

unless my math is wrong, should 9 Chaos Raptors be more killy than 2 Dreadnoughts with DCCW+ ML? im truely unshure about this opinion as i dont know how effective Raptors are.

Rember that im a new player, and theirfore an idiot.

zzzz for 1500pt Chaos, don't bother with Abbadon.

Stick with a single DP(preferable Nurgle or Slaanesh).

Use small squads of plague marines in rhinos w/ 2 meltaguns each.

'zerkers . . . iz good

Use Vindicators since your list seems a more offensive oriented one.

any good, but cheap set-ups for the vindicator, provided that i not get the Dreadnoughts.

also how big should the plague marines squads be?

also should i keep Kharn or is he not used in the Bezerker filled Land Raider of Justice?

I wasent saying get a whole bunch of rapters to fill your points but dreads are garbagio for chaos, if you have a reatine with a demonprince all moving 12 inches together they protect him cover wound allocation etc.. it was just an idea to give you.

With a LR and abaddon thats 1/3rd your entire army at 1500 points 275, 220 is base lr 240 with possession also chaos lr's can only take 10 models where as a sm can take 12 i unno chaos lrs seem silly but thats just my oppinion, and at 1500 maybe youd want to put pts somewhere else.

Where did 14 plague marines with one plasma gun come from?

i was just saying with the points you could have if you scrapped your 20 csm idea to some sturdier units such as plague marines, they also can take two weapons flamer,plasma,melta at a 5 man squad.

and raptors are safer then dreadnaughts that charge your own units and kill them i relize you can use frag shot so you wont hurt your stuff but i was wondering how can you have a dreadnaught with a missle launcher the chaos ones come with plasma cannon only, and the the Weapons on all dreads is on the right arm so you somehow have to find two right armed missle launchers? hows that working out?

i did some thinking about my army list and i think this can work.

HQ: Daemon Prince with Mark of nurgle+wings+warptime

Kharn the Betrayer

Troops: 7 plague marines with 2 melta guns

7 plague marines with 1 melta gun (olny have 3)

9 Bezerkers with skull champ with power wep and meltabombs

5 Raptors to give Deamon Prince +4 cover save as recomended

vehicles: 2 posessed Rhinos for the plague marines

1 posessed Land Raider for Kharn and the Bezerkers

2 Dreadnoughts with 2 DCCW


is this better? also i got the plague marines by seeing how many i could get for the price of 20 CSM + the cost of the Melta guns, after doing some math and getting rid of stuff

i think that looks better im not sure if having two hq's is good or not in 1500 but with the daemon prince flying around and the raptors it definatly will distract and make your opponent worry about where there going who their targets are etc. And who knows while their busying thinking about the winged monster and the raptors your dreadnaughts can hopefully move into a good covering position for your rhinos and landraiders assault, while the plague marines cover the flanks or move up to claim objectives they can definatly pop some stuff with the meltas, try your list out it would be awesome to get a battle report!

ill post a battle report as soon as i get them and play some games with them.

untill then lets contune to refine this rather interesting list that isnt the cheese-tastic Lash Prince set-up.

You don't have more melta guns but your going to buy Raptors instead? Raptors, if they get 2 killed, need to make a Ld 7 morale save or run away. You don't even have a IoCG on them for a re-roll...and you really can't afford to waste points like that at 1500pts. That 100pts could be invested in real units that do something every game.

Dreads are a gamble because you have to roll every turn to see if they stop and shoot the nearest enemy. I take it you understand this because your doing flamers... but the problem is they stop. Because of this roll, they are not considered competitive because they are unreliable.

Your only long range AT is your LR, and that is now a BS 3 due to the Possession. Oh, it can only fire 1 weapon and move, and you want it moving.

The general tactic with Chaos is 2 of everything as one will not live long enough to do the job.

DP - 175pts
MoN, Wings, Warptime

DP - 175pts
MoN, Wings, Warptime

6 PMs - 243pts
2x melta gun, Champ, Fist, TLed Bolter, Rhino, Combi-melta

6 PMs - 218pts
2x plasma gun, Rhino, Havoc Launcher

7 Zerkers - 232pts
champ, fist, Rhino, combi-melta

7 Zerkers - 232pts
champ, fist, Rhino, combi-melta

Oblit - 75pts

Oblit - 75pts

Oblit - 75pts

1500pts on the head.

BlkTom wrote:DP - 175pts
MoN, Wings, Warptime

DP - 175pts
MoN, Wings, Warptime

6 PMs - 243pts
2x melta gun, Champ, Fist, TLed Bolter, Rhino, Combi-melta

6 PMs - 218pts
2x plasma gun, Rhino, Havoc Launcher

7 Zerkers - 232pts
champ, fist, Rhino, combi-melta

7 Zerkers - 232pts
champ, fist, Rhino, combi-melta

Oblit - 75pts

Oblit - 75pts

Oblit - 75pts

1500pts on the head.

how would i use this list if i where to use it? from what i see i would use the Obliterators for anti-tank right? and all of my bezerkers charge with the Deamon Prince into the enemy to quickly get into CC right? so that means then that the Plague Marines sit on objectives.

is this how im suppose to use this list i suppose my only complaint would be how to use the obliterators right

*sighs*

The Plasma PMs sit on a rear objective. In a kill point game they follow up the other 3 Rhinos.

The 3 other rhinos (Zerkers and CC PM) pretty much go balls to the walls up to the enemy to get in melta range. To disembark and charge, the Rhino can not move, so keep that in mind. You can move the Rhino 6", Disembark to squeeze out an extra 2 inches and still shoot. Just remember your Rhino's side will be facing the enemy. This manuver is called 'power slide'. This can be really effective with your Melta PMs. Remember the Rhinos also have combi-meltas giving you the close in AT you desperatily need.

DPs... just move till you get into CC.

Oblits just blast away at range and are your covering fire for your Rhinos. If you want to move them up at a d6 a turn, go for it. Do not DS the Oblits or hold them in reserve. You want them firing TLed LCs on turn 1.

You have played Chaos befor, right?

BlkTom wrote:*sighs*

You have played Chaos befor, right?

im a new player and i tried asking my friend for advice, but he didnt know anything about Chaos so with my Codex i started learning and i recently got a account here so i could ask for advice from people here. you have been extremely helpful and i thank you.

Any more advice you can give me will be useful untill i learn how to be great at this game.

sorry that im a idiot

Obliterators are a multi-purpose unit; they can provide anti-tank, anti-armored infantry, and anti-horde firepower.

For anti-tank purposes, they can use lascannons at range, multi-meltas a bit closer in and twin-linked melta guns at short range.

For games versus other power armored armies - even terminator armored stuff - they have plasma cannons and twin-linked plasma guns available.

Should the occasion warrant, they have twin-linked flamers for horde-removal.

Obliterators are highly recommended but do take a bit of care, they are vulnerable to small arms fire and especially to instant-death. Despite their power fists, they aren't for HtH; they need to be shooting.

The list above looks like a good starting point; multiple, small units is the best route for Chaos, especially at 1500-points. Plague Marines are good all-rounders and 'Zerkers are good fun and adept at beating most things in the face. Some people like Slaneesh better; Lash of Submission is an absolute hoot to play. "I'm sorry, did you want to hold that objective? I don't think so."

In larger games, I like more Obliterators and Chosen in addition to the troops. One can't have too many Obliterators.

NP Hand Banana...sorry if I came across as a Dick.

Really, there is no real subsitution for just playing. Sit down after the fight and talk about what you might have done better. Learn starting placement and target selection. Also, focus your fire.

Who knows, this list could be a bad fit with your play style, but with experience you can figure out what works best for you.

Good luck and have fun!

BlkTom wrote:


Good luck and have fun!

i will untill a new codex comes out, then ill be calling all the time

New codex in 6+months... the current one will be 'Renegades'.

any details on the new codex? i would like to see what ill be whineing about