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I thought this was a straightforward yes, but the codex saying that it is purchased as an uprgrade to a squad made me question it.
So! what the title says....

sn0zcumb3r wrote:I thought this was a straightforward yes, but the codex saying that it is purchased as an uprgrade to a squad made me question it.
So! what the title says....

each unit gives a kill point ... if they were a single unit then none of the models could move.

Good question. Related question for whoever answers this: Is Chronus worth a kill point if the vehicle explodes and he doesn't make it out of the tank?

Jimsolo wrote:Good question. Related question for whoever answers this: Is Chronus worth a kill point if the vehicle explodes and he doesn't make it out of the tank?

No as he is not an IC till he makes it out alive.

Tri wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:Good question. Related question for whoever answers this: Is Chronus worth a kill point if the vehicle explodes and he doesn't make it out of the tank?

No as he is not an IC till he makes it out alive.

Incorrect. He *becomes* an IC immediately, regardless of making the roll or not. He is ALWAYS a Kill Point

Tri have you read the entry recently?
He could because in it's entry it reads that he is bought as an upgrade to the squad but counts as a separate unit for other purposes.

I thought that would be kill points as well but I have seen in many lists (granted they are internet lists) that it is not counted as a kill point and upgrades for a squad (nobs, sargents etc) are not kill points

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Tri wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:Good question. Related question for whoever answers this: Is Chronus worth a kill point if the vehicle explodes and he doesn't make it out of the tank?

No as he is not an IC till he makes it out alive.

Incorrect. He *becomes* an IC immediately, regardless of making the roll or not. He is ALWAYS a Kill Point

Interesting view point ... if the vehicle is destroyed then he get the following rules for the rest of the game... Still if we're going down the S.Bers root ...

Raw ... You get a single KP for destroying both the tank and Cronus. As he is part of the unit it cannot have been destroyed till he is dead. While I guess you could class them as a retinue this is a stretch.

Upgrade Characters., like Nobs, are not Kill Points as they are not separate units

Chronos becomes an IC *as soon as* the vehicle is destroyed. At that point he *must* be a separate unit, because a) the vehicle was a vehicle, and ICs cannot join vehciles and b) the vehicle is already dead

So, because he is a separate unit he is a Kill Point. ALL that counts is whetehr you are a discrete unit. If you are a unit you are a kill point

sn0zcumb3r wrote:Tri have you read the entry recently?
He could because in it's entry it reads that he is bought as an upgrade to the squad but counts as a separate unit for other purposes.

And since he's another unit he's another KP. Every unit gives up a kill point. Some armys can make more or less. Space marines can combat squad creating a new unit; IG platoons can combine minimising the number of kill points


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nosferatu1001 wrote:Upgrade Characters., like Nobs, are not Kill Points as they are not separate units

Chronos becomes an IC *as soon as* the vehicle is destroyed. At that point he *must* be a separate unit, because a) the vehicle was a vehicle, and ICs cannot join vehciles and b) the vehicle is already dead

So, because he is a separate unit he is a Kill Point. ALL that counts is whether you are a discrete unit. If you are a unit you are a kill point

Ah but the vehicle is gone at the point. He starts part of the tank, then the tank is gone and he becomes an IC but is still part of the tank

Based on the wording of Chronus' special rule if the vehicle is destroyed and the owning player rolls a 1 or 2 then the tank is only worth 1 point. Chronus does not become an IC until the vehicle has been destroyed and only after he survives the vehicle's destruction. Only after Chronus has been seperated does he become an IC and then he becomes a unit on his own.

Incorrect. CAREFULLY reread and note the Chronus becoming an IC is NOT dependent on rolling a 3+, but occurs regardless.

The rule says "If Chronus' vehicle has been destroyed he has the above profile and following special rules..." including IC. It does not say, when placed on the board or pops out. I think this means Chronus' vehicle gives 2 KP, regardless of whether he gets placed on the board or killed in the wreck. If killed in the wreck, then 2 KP are given, if he pops out, the tank loses 1 KP and the other follows Chronus.

Homer

By the way Tri, your answer to the initial question confused me a little bit. Do the spores give kill points?

They are a kill point like a drop pod or trukk.

-cgmckenzie

Homer S wrote:The rule says "If Chronus' vehicle has been destroyed he has the above profile and following special rules..." including IC. It does not say, when placed on the board or pops out. I think this means Chronus' vehicle gives 2 KP, regardless of whether he gets placed on the board or killed in the wreck. If killed in the wreck, then 2 KP are given, if he pops out, the tank loses 1 KP and the other follows Chronus.

Homer

Correct, which is what I was pointing out

Jimsolo wrote:By the way Tri, your answer to the initial question confused me a little bit. Do the spores give kill points?

They are a unit, separate to the unit you bought them for. HAve a read of the definition of "unit", early on in your rulebook

The special rule for Chronus states, "... If Chronus' vehicle has been destroyed he has the above profile...for the remainder of the game..." (emphasis added by me). Please note the past tense in the first part of the quote. Until the vehicle has been destroyed Chronus, as a special independent character, does not exist. He is merely an upgrade to a tank. Since the rule also says "for the remainder of the game" that is showing that until that time, after the vehicle is destroyed, he does not have a seperate stat line or special rules. If he always had the stat line and special rules there would be no need to state that they are in effect for the rest of the game.
So I stand by my previous statement that until Chronus as an individual model appears on the table he does not generate a kill point.

Leo - no, that is not what that sentence states. The past tense jkust indicates that the vehicle has to have already been destroyed - however it places no other requirements.

IF the vehicle has been destroyed he has the above profile. So, as soon as you wreck / explode the vehicle Chronus becomes an IC

You then roll a dice, and on a 1 or a 2 you give another KP immediately, because an IC has just been removed as a casualty.

I can certainly see your point and I concede it is convincing. It's just that based on the structure of the sentence it seems like it should be read as: step one- vehicle is destroyed, step two- check to see if Chronus survives, step 3- if in step 2 Chronus does not survive end otherwise proceed to next step, step 4- Chronus now becomes a separate model and uses the above stat line and special rules.
In a game I'd go with your interpretation but darn GW for their loose use of the English language and its structural rules.

Step 1 - Tank Blows up. Step 2- Roll to see if Chronus survives. Step 3 - If he survives, mark down one kill point, if he doesn't, give up two.

OP: Yes, the spore is like a drop pod in terms of whether or not it counts as a KP.