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In a 2v2 game, does a KFF mek give you're ally the saves as well? or is it just you're orks

There are no rules for 2v2 so you can play it however you want. Discuss it with your opponents before game.

As a caveat, in Apoc, one army lists rules are not conferred to allies in a multi-player game, even if they are the same faction.

Actually the KFF gives everyone ("all units") within 6" the cover save/obscured. Its really quite fun as you can get really close to orks and then benefit from their cove save...however useful that would be

I've heard 2 arguments about 2v2s and affecting your teammate. The first is that by "friendly units/models" the book means your units/models, the second being that the book means not your opponents units/models.

I would discuss with your opponents as to which they are ok with using, but let it be said that as a GK player, BA and IG teammates LOVE my servo skulls.

Even the FAQ says to discuss it with your opponent.

From personal experience we allow things that effect Friendly units. However if it states Army Specific/Your models etc it's not allowed to benefit the other.

Lightcavalier wrote:Actually the KFF gives everyone ("all units") within 6" the cover save/obscured. Its really quite fun as you can get really close to orks and then benefit from their cove save...however useful that would be

As per the rulebook FAQ, that effectively means 'all friendly units'... Special rules only affect the enemy when they specifically say as much.

And as per the Apocalypse rules, your team mates can't benefit from your special rules either.

If you're playing some other type of 2v2 game, then it's entirely down to whatever rules you and the other player have agreed to use.

If you agreed that you can benefit from your ally's rules, you benefit from KFF. If you have not agreed to do that or you are playing apocalypse, it's just all models in the same army (so if you are fielding two armies, your marines wouldn't benefit from them).

Ahhh, so it's another one of those "ask you're opponent" rules
got it..

Kinda - there really aren't any rules for 2vs2 games at all, so you'll have to make up rules anyway.

kff in 2v2... its liek terrain, talk abotu it before the battle

Agreeing with everyone else, but its worth considering the context a bit. If you are playing a friendly game with mates, then sure why not share stuff out to your ally (KFF / FNP etc).

If you are making a ruleset for a doubles tournament or something, I'd definitely suggest you don't allow it, as you could make some very broken combos of armies to exploit rules unintended by the designers.

Actually, we always play with sharing rules. As long as everyone is "exploiting" it, there really isn't that much of an imbalance. Monoliths with a KFF aren't any more dangerous than a close combat army (orks/nids) backed up by long range firepower and meltas(IG/SW/Eldar) or basically any other combination of two armies covering each other's weaknesses.

Jidmah wrote:Actually, we always play with sharing rules. As long as everyone is "exploiting" it, there really isn't that much of an imbalance. Monoliths with a KFF aren't any more dangerous than a close combat army (orks/nids) backed up by long range firepower and meltas(IG/SW/Eldar) or basically any other combination of two armies covering each other's weaknesses.

as long as its agreed upon that sounds like a pretty fun way to do it. I've gone as far as to have independent character from wieither faction to be able to attach to a teammate's units. tha tmakes for some odd combos to... one example was khone bezerkers led by ghazzy

I'm happy with sharing wargear descriptions such as "all units" with allies, like the KFF.

Humorously though, in a game where I was teamed up with a necron player, his Monolith failed all its KFF saves, while a trukk of mine refused to fail a single one

Combining squads, however, is a recipe for rule and balance destruction... in a fun way, of course!

Jidmah wrote:Actually, we always play with sharing rules. As long as everyone is "exploiting" it, there really isn't that much of an imbalance. Monoliths with a KFF aren't any more dangerous than a close combat army (orks/nids) backed up by long range firepower and meltas(IG/SW/Eldar) or basically any other combination of two armies covering each other's weaknesses.

W00t@FnP Hammernators with Fortune. While I do see your point things can get very broken

tedurur wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Actually, we always play with sharing rules. As long as everyone is "exploiting" it, there really isn't that much of an imbalance. Monoliths with a KFF aren't any more dangerous than a close combat army (orks/nids) backed up by long range firepower and meltas(IG/SW/Eldar) or basically any other combination of two armies covering each other's weaknesses.

W00t@FnP Hammernators with Fortune. While I do see your point things can get very broken

Fortune specifically says it has to target Eldar units. So, even with sharing, Fortune doesn't work.

Ya, just like you can't WAAGH! khorne berzerkers...It says it only effects orks...

Grakmar wrote:

tedurur wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Actually, we always play with sharing rules. As long as everyone is "exploiting" it, there really isn't that much of an imbalance. Monoliths with a KFF aren't any more dangerous than a close combat army (orks/nids) backed up by long range firepower and meltas(IG/SW/Eldar) or basically any other combination of two armies covering each other's weaknesses.

W00t@FnP Hammernators with Fortune. While I do see your point things can get very broken

Fortune specifically says it has to target Eldar units. So, even with sharing, Fortune doesn't work.

Also FNP isn't a save, so Fortune would be useless on that as well.

As I said before, it isn't as broken as it seems. Synergy between two different armies is just as powerful as rule stacking. A battlewagon bash backed up by war walkers, fire prisms and serpents is an extremely hard army to beat, and the KFF has nothing to do with it, but the combination of two armies basically canceling out each other's weaknesses. As for rule stacking, while Fortune and Guidance(for Orks ) doesn't work, Doom does, and works like a charm for boyz.

I'd heavily advice against g00fy's house rule though, that kind of stuff is bound to break the game.

Jidmah wrote:As I said before, it isn't as broken as it seems. Synergy between two different armies is just as powerful as rule stacking. A battlewagon bash backed up by war walkers, fire prisms and serpents is an extremely hard army to beat, and the KFF has nothing to do with it, but the combination of two armies basically canceling out each other's weaknesses.

Absolutely. Imagine GK & DE. Holy hell, the things that would die.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

Jidmah wrote:As I said before, it isn't as broken as it seems. Synergy between two different armies is just as powerful as rule stacking. A battlewagon bash backed up by war walkers, fire prisms and serpents is an extremely hard army to beat, and the KFF has nothing to do with it, but the combination of two armies basically canceling out each other's weaknesses.

Absolutely. Imagine GK & DE. Holy hell, the things that would die.

Grey knights and dark eldar working together...?!?!?!?!

WERE DOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!

Grey Knights and regular eldar are much more fun. Fear the Council of Seers/Culexus machine gun.

Lets see, 2 Farseer, 2 groups of 10 Warlocks, wanna keep the assassin safe, so we'll surround him with guardians with a warlock, as well as wraithguard with a spiritseer...so lets see that's 31 psykers strategically placed within 6" of the assassin. How many shots would that be?

Over 9000.