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So two questions.
1. Has the imperium, guard or space marines, fought against any of the traitor primarchs in the near past, like long after the HH?

2. And im confused as to how Abbadon became the number 1 chaos baddy to the Imperium. If there are still traitor primarches how did Abbaddon gain like supreme control when Horus died, when he was only a first captain? Why didnt one of the traitor primarches step up and say "Okay, its my turn to burn and kill some sh!t since im the most hardcore mofo chaos has to offer currently"

1: Yes. See the First War for Armagedon.

2. Because they have their own legions to do that with, and because they respected Horus.

Coolyo294 wrote:1: Yes. See the First War for Armagedon.

So i just looked that up, thank you for the info, i heard of the whole grey knights doing something along the lines of that and the space wolves no longer trusting them cause of it but i never knew the actual situation.

2. Or they just don't care anymore as they can do whatever they want on their daemon worlds. The only one I can figure wanting to leave, is Angron, and I don't think Angron has the brain capacity anymore to lead everyone...KILL KILL KILL is all he's got so that's why he only leads like minded berserkers. Plus, they gotta be undivided to lead all of the CSM

1:yes Armageddon

2: read Horus Rising

1: First War of Armageddon (GK vs Angron), Magnus' invasion of Fenris, and Draigo vs. Mortarion.

2: All of the Chaos Primarchs are either dead/banished to the Warp or concerned of matters in the Warp over the Materium (like most Daemon Princes).

bombboy1252 wrote:1:yes Armageddon

2: read Horus Rising

ive read all the HH books currently out, none of them answer that question

1.Yes.
2.See Battle of the Fang.
3. See the Space Wolf Books.
4. See Thousand Sons.
5. See the battle between the Imperial fists and the Iron warriors at the iron cage.
6. Draigo designs someone else's name on Mortiartins heart.

Most of the Traitor Primarchs, that are still alive anyway, are either devoted entirely to one god(and as such are not ever going to lead a Chaos Undivided force) or are simply not interested.


Only Primarchs that are undivided would be candidates.

Alpharus/Omegon is a mystery so they are out the window.

Lorgar has locked himself in a tower to "Meditate"

and Perturabo is just chillin in his fortress.


Those are the only Undivided Primarchs there are currently.

1. See first war for Armageddon
2. Because Abaddon is almost genetically identical to Horus, and wields one of his power claws, so he has a respect factor goin on

Beastmaster wrote:1. See first war for Armageddon
2. Because Abaddon is almost genetically identical to Horus, and wields one of his power claws, so he has a respect factor goin on

How he retains that respect is a mystery.

Varrick wrote:

Beastmaster wrote:1. See first war for Armageddon
2. Because Abaddon is almost genetically identical to Horus, and wields one of his power claws, so he has a respect factor goin on

How he retains that respect is a mystery.

Even defeated generals can be awesome. Rommel lost the Afrika Campaign because he was outsupplied, but he is still renowned as one of the best Tank Commanders ever.

Robert, I was going to say something snarky about Rommel and failure, but then I decided not to. Nice avatar.

Abaddon does of course lead his failure parade once every so often, and I think he had one in the 'recent' history of 40k.

Daemons have a very tough time leaving the Warp. The more powerful the daemon, the harder it is.

Making the traitor primarchs into daemon princes actually made them less threatening.

Question one seems to have been answered.
In response to question 2 however-
Lets start with the Luna wolves. The Luna Wolves were some of the origional marines to fall to chaos, and basically led the civil war. horus, the master planner of the entire heresy and primarch of the Luna Wolves, is killed at the ending moments and the Luna Wolves retreat. Abbadon, second in command, takes over. Abbadon, said to be a clone of Horus, was Horus's favorite and was an extremely huge guy, as well as an awesome fighter.
So basically the luna wolves (now sons of horus) go back into the warp. Abbadon changes their name yet again to the black legion. However, what makes the black legion different from all of the other legions is that while all the other legions are mostly splitting apart into warbands and basically devolving into chaos, the black legion, under abbadon, remains united, and abbadon thus grows stronger along with his legion.
Another reason abbadon is looked upon as "warmaster of chaos" is because his roots trace back to the origional warmaster, horus.
Correct me if im wrong at any point there.
Feel free to

I always hated the name "Luna wolves" seems like a space wolves successor chapter...

But Jollydevil summed up question 2 pretty nicely...

Jollydevil wrote:Question one seems to have been answered.
In response to question 2 however-
Lets start with the Luna wolves. The Luna Wolves were some of the origional marines to fall to chaos, and basically led the civil war. horus, the master planner of the entire heresy and primarch of the Luna Wolves, is killed at the ending moments and the Luna Wolves retreat. Abbadon, second in command, takes over. Abbadon, said to be a clone of Horus, was Horus's favorite and was an extremely huge guy, as well as an awesome fighter.
So basically the luna wolves (now sons of horus) go back into the warp. Abbadon changes their name yet again to the black legion. However, what makes the black legion different from all of the other legions is that while all the other legions are mostly splitting apart into warbands and basically devolving into chaos, the black legion, under abbadon, remains united, and abbadon thus grows stronger along with his legion.
Another reason abbadon is looked upon as "warmaster of chaos" is because his roots trace back to the origional warmaster, horus.
Correct me if im wrong at any point there.
Feel free to

That makes alot of sense, i'd have to say you hit the nail on the head on that one

Also, the daemon primarchs just don't care. Mortarion's not leaving the warp for a while, Angron's happy in his state of constant personal combat, Magnus is too sorcerory to lead a force properly, Fulgrim's disappeared to planet of eternal excess. If they came back, sure, the warbands descended from their legion might rally to them, but most others wouldn't.

Durza wrote:Also, the daemon primarchs just don't care. Mortarion's not leaving the warp for a while, Angron's happy in his state of constant personal combat, Magnus is too sorcerory to lead a force properly, Fulgrim's disappeared to planet of eternal excess. If they came back, sure, the warbands descended from their legion might rally to them, but most others wouldn't.

Considering Mortarion purposefully placed his Daemon World so that it would be easier to stage assaults on the Imperium, you'd think he would care quite a bit.

And Magnus' only desire is to see the Imperium fall.

Also, IIRC, Lorgar apparently is considering usurping control of the Black Legion from Abaddon.

What exactly has Magnus been up to lately, I know he was involved with the Space wolf series?

Void__Dragon wrote:

Durza wrote:Also, the daemon primarchs just don't care. Mortarion's not leaving the warp for a while, Angron's happy in his state of constant personal combat, Magnus is too sorcerory to lead a force properly, Fulgrim's disappeared to planet of eternal excess. If they came back, sure, the warbands descended from their legion might rally to them, but most others wouldn't.

Considering Mortarion purposefully placed his Daemon World so that it would be easier to stage assaults on the Imperium, you'd think he would care quite a bit.

And Magnus' only desire is to see the Imperium fall.

Also, IIRC, Lorgar apparently is considering usurping control of the Black Legion from Abaddon.

He also shaped it to look like his home world and doesn't leave much.

Cult of My Boy Blue wrote:What exactly has Magnus been up to lately, I know he was involved with the Space wolf series?

He has ben persung a vendetta against the wolves and thats it.

I think that might have been a misrepresentation, considering the source.

Void__Dragon wrote:

Durza wrote:Also, the daemon primarchs just don't care. Mortarion's not leaving the warp for a while, Angron's happy in his state of constant personal combat, Magnus is too sorcerory to lead a force properly, Fulgrim's disappeared to planet of eternal excess. If they came back, sure, the warbands descended from their legion might rally to them, but most others wouldn't.

Considering Mortarion purposefully placed his Daemon World so that it would be easier to stage assaults on the Imperium, you'd think he would care quite a bit.

And Magnus' only desire is to see the Imperium fall.

Also, IIRC, Lorgar apparently is considering usurping control of the Black Legion from Abaddon.

Clarification -

Grey Templar wrote:
Those are the only Undivided Primarchs there are currently.

What about Night Haunter?

TechMarine1 wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
Those are the only Undivided Primarchs there are currently.

What about Night Haunter?

He's been a bit busy being dead since M36.

He survived that long?

I thought he was killed pretty soon after the Heresy.

He didn't die until he let someone kill him.

Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that he is quite dead.