How much AT is too much for DE

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**Kylorn**

I was just curious im trying to figure out my 1750 list I was going to go with typical venom spam list for my 3 warriors units and my 3 trueborns units and a raider for my wytch unit and 3 ravagers this gives me a total of 24 lance shots total and 7 targets a round.

My other lists keeps the trueborn in venoms but switch the warrior rides for raiders giving me 3 extra shots and a possible 3 extra targets per round.

However with the venoms i almost always zip them the full 24 inches the first round to give me middle ground saturation the raiders i think i would be more inclined to cruse them at 12 inches my first turn so slower and a much bigger profile and 5 points more with a FF.

Thoughts?

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

I'd say you should be split about two Dark Lances for every Splinter Cannon. But Reavers should be three of one or three of the other.

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

I run 6(true)+4*1(warriors)+2(raider)+9(ravager)
so 21 Dark Lances which can shoot at 11 diferent targets.

I feel that's adequate target saturation, however this is only in theory as I'm still building up the army and have never tested as of yet. Same with Beastmasters ..

Really hope this pans out lol!

**Kylorn**

Ya i run 3x DL on my ravagers im just curious if 3 more AT shots but 36 less anti-infantry shots is worth it plus a profile thats a lot harder to get into cover it should be noted that if i go venom i have room for GTrophys (or some other minor 5 point upgrade) for all my armys vehicles but with raiders i can not even make them tank shock as i am tight on points

**Thor665**

To answer the question from the thread title - I have never reached a point where I said "wow, I have too much AT in this list"

I am going to a 2000 point tournament this weekend and am fielding 33 darklight weapons

I'm currently debating putting in some more.

Now, to your actual question - 'should you dump 3 Venoms for 3 Raiders' the basic answer is one only you can really provide; are you having problems killing enemy armor? If the answer is 'yes' then you should do something to increase the amount of anti-armor shooting you bring. Plain and simple, that's what it boils down to. Switching Venoms to Raiders certainly brings a nice AT advantage with it, since a Raider can basically shoot a lance anywhere on the board between deployment, movement, and range.

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

Also, don't neglect Disintegrator Cannons; you should have some on hand for Terminator Killing. What happens if the Deathwing show up?

**Dracos**

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:Also, don't neglect Disintegrator Cannons; you should have some on hand for Terminator Killing. What happens if the Deathwing show up?

This is bad advice. There is no platform where disintegrators are a good idea.

**Thor665**

I think they work nicely with Razorwings and Ravagers depending on what the rest of the list is doing.

Though I don't think they're much needed when you have Venom spam - and most people have Venom spam.