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I have a competition 500 point game coming up and i'm not sure which of these lists would be more competitive at this point level.

Blood Angel list

HQ
Librarian
-Epistolary upgrade
-Terminator Armour
-Wings of Sanguinus & Sanguine Sword

Troops
5 Man Assault Squad
-No Jump Packs
-Meltagun

5 Man Assault Squad
-No Jump Packs
-Meltagun

Razorback
-Twin-Linked Lascannon

Razorback
-Twin-Linked Lascannon

Dark Eldar

HQ
Haemonculus

Troops
5 Wyches
-Hekatrix
-Agoniser

Troops
5 Wyches
-Hekatrix
-Agoniser

5 Warriors
-Blaster

Raider

Raider

Ravager

Haemonculus goes with warriors


Any advice appreciated
   
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On the blood angels list, why terminator armor? Seems like you have 2 spots open in the tanks to ride, but your relying on psychic tests to keep up with your librarian. Figure in a 5 turn game, you will take ~7 psychic tests, pretty good chance to fail some and peril some.

I'd drop epistolary and terminator armor, change wings to shield/unleash rage, and throw him in one razorback. Then with the points saved get a sanguinary priest to ride in the other razorback to give FNP and FC to everything. Gives you some points to give somebody a power fist or combi+power weap.


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Allso, at 500 points there isn't going to be that many tanks on the field. Two lascannons and two meltas might be overkill and will force you to go into CC for anti-infantry. Might want to think about switching to a flamer or twin-linked assault cannons.

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racta wrote:
Allso, at 500 points there isn't going to be that many tanks on the field. Two lascannons and two meltas might be overkill and will force you to go into CC for anti-infantry. Might want to think about switching to a flamer or twin-linked assault cannons.


This is actually a common misconception. Since you are gearing up for a competition, you should actually be expecting to see *a lot* of tanks. My Friend's Imperial Guard list contains 3 Chimera, his Dark Eldar list contains a Ravager, a Raider, and a Venom, my Eldar list contains a Wave Serpent and 2 War Walkers, and even your BA list contains 2 Razor Backs!

Anyway, on Tuesday we were showing my gf how to play the game, so we did some 500 point demo games, the first was BA vs Eldar- with her controlling the BA. The second was just a quick game between me and Derrick to showcase 2 more armies, this time me as his DE, and he played his 3 Chimera Guard.

After some quick negotiation about his DE list (I had no idea what anything costs, and still don't, but I knew what I wanted lol). In any event the list we came up with did really good. My anti tank dice were hot though, so that might have had something to do with it. But I'll post the list here as I think its really solid.

Homunculus
9 Wytch- Hexatrix, Agonizer, Haywire : Raider- Flicker Field
5 Warriors- Blaster : Venom- Extra Splinter Cannon, Flicker Field
Ravager- 3 Lances, Flicker Field

or at least that's basically it. I'm pretty sure everything had Flicker Fields, but I could be wrong. The point is you've got anti tank ability spread throughout the army

The other question is versatility. Strong 500 point lists function through versatility. You could be facing anything from 2-4 tanks or MCs, to over 60 ork boyz on foot. The best of both worlds is to have weapons that can both do well against large numbers of foes, and tanks.

My Eldar list for example crams in 7 shuriken cannons and 3 flame templates. With versatility in mind, I would consider assault cannons instead of Las Cannons on those razors. s6 rending with 4 shots is better than a single s9 shot against transports, and it gives you a better gun to shoot into an ork mob. Since 500 point games are usually played on a 4x4 board... the shorter range isn't as severe.

Also I almost think you'd be better off going for a jump infantry themed BA list. Most good opponents will be ready to deal with tanks, and not ready to deal with a bunch of furious charging, fnp assault marines.

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As is, the DE list is bad. So I'll offer some tweaks.
ps91 wrote:Haemonculus
Add a liquifier.
ps91 wrote:5 Wyches
-Hekatrix -Agoniser

5 Wyches
-Hekatrix -Agoniser
They're so weak and vulnerable in two groups of 5. Combine them into a group of 9 and the haem. Now, they're nasty. Haem stays in the Raider with his liq moving Combat Speed and spewing random AP fun. Do you have enough girls for another 9?

ps91 wrote:5 Warriors
I'd take 'em out for the points to make more girls.

ps91 wrote:Raider
Raider
Ravager
FlickerFields on all. Got any venoms?

ps91 wrote:Haemonculus goes with warriors
No, he should go with the wyches so they'll get his Pain Token. Even if you don't change anything else, he should go with a girl crew, as they get into h2h and need FNP, but the warriors just do shooty things, and need FNP far less.

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The only thing that i'm not sure about with your list is a lack of power weapons as i know i'll be up against marines

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ps91 wrote:The only thing that i'm not sure about with your list is a lack of power weapons as i know i'll be up against marines
Oh, no, no! Hekagonizers too! Include them. Sorry that I left that out. Hekagonizers every time.

Two sets of girls, each with an agonizer wielding hekatrix, and one or both with a haem.

9 girls + Hekagonizer, haywires, 150
Raider w/ FF 70

8 girls + Hekagonizer, haywires, 138
Raider w/ FF 70

haem w/ liq 60

498 points, I believe.

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I would personally go for a Blood Angels list.
If you are playing Competetive then go for a DOA (Desent of angels) or a mech list. These, at the moment, are most competetive and very effective.
If you go for DOA list then basicly a load of assault squads with Jump Packs (jet packs) and your own choice of HQ.

If you go for a mech list then have three of each tank, for example, three Baal Predators.

Hope that helps.
   
 
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