1750 space marines

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**zikko**

Hq
Counts as Kantor 175

troops
Tactical squad x10, power fist, meltagun, multimelta/missile launcher, rhino 235
Tactical squad x10, power fist, meltagun, multimelta/missile launcher, rhino 235

Elites
Sternguard veterans x9, power fist, rhino 285
Dreadnought assaultcannon 115
Assault terminators, x6 (1thunderhammer,rest lightning claws), Landraider 490

fast
Assault marines x10, power fist 215

Chapter master rides with the sternguard veterans. How does the list look?

**Udunai**

Hi,

change some LCs for TH/SS for your termies, better is have more hammers then LCs, 3++ save is good, 4xTH/SS and 2 LCs is better I think, drop Power fists, kantor has 1 is enought, take some combi-weapon for your stern, Dread has middle range weapon+ CCW, put him into DropPod, or change him into rifle dread(2x TLAC). Maybe change assault marines for more sterns, with Pedro they are scoring and very good.

**Kylis**

zikko wrote:Chapter master rides with the sternguard veterans. How does the list look?

Pretty weird to be honest. Dreadnought wants long range weaponary (2x TLAC) or a multimelta and a drop pod. Sternguards want combi-meltas and maybe a drop pod to deep strike near enemy vehicles. I would also exchange the vanilla Land Raider to a Land Raider Redeemer. And drop the assault marines, they aren't really worth the points in this codex. I think actually your list would work better if it made with Blood Angel Codex.

Here's what common 1,75k Pedro&Sternguard lists look like:

Pedro Kantor 175pts

Sternguard Veteran Squad 325pts
9 veterans & Sergeant, 2x Missile Launcher, 5xCombi-Meltagun, Razorback with Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

Sternguard Veteran Squad 325pts
9 veterans & Sergeant, 2x Missile Launcher, 5xCombi-Meltagun, Razorback with Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

Sternguard Veteran Squad 135pts
4 veterans & Sergeant, 2x Missile Launcher

Tactical Squad 225pts
9 Marines, Meltagun, Missilelauncher, Sergeant with Combi-Meltagun, Razorback with Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

Tactical Squad 225pts
9 Marines, Meltagun, Missilelauncher, Sergeant with Combi-Meltagun, Razorback with Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

Attack Bike 50pts
Multimelta

Attack Bike 50pts
Multimelta

Predator 120pts
Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons

Predator 120pts
Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons

9 Scoring units using Combat Squads and better AT than in your list for example.

**MFletch**

Ok Kantor has a lot of problems though he does make sternguard scoring.

Use three sternguard squads then have two cheap troop choices is the way to go.

Dread is not great. Assault marines are always rubbish for vanilla. I like the landraider set up, though whether it will survive is another thing.

**jpwyrm**

I play Kantor a lot and I must say I like Kylis' list a lot. It's pretty different than what I usually bring on the board but I think it takes advantage of Pedro's ability quite well.

One thing I would change though, is to ditch the two attack bikes (don't like those very much) and get a libby with Avenger and Null Zone (possibly GoI as I think this can be quite good to seize/contest objectives sometimes).

**Kylis**

jpwyrm wrote:I play Kantor a lot and I must say I like Kylis' list a lot. It's pretty different than what I usually bring on the board but I think it takes advantage of Pedro's ability quite well.

One thing I would change though, is to ditch the two attack bikes (don't like those very much) and get a libby with Avenger and Null Zone (possibly GoI as I think this can be quite good to seize/contest objectives sometimes).

I think the Attack bikes are good as you can sacrifice them when needed to kill a Land Raider(s) as get the multimeltas at melta reange in first turn if you go second on deployment. However if you don't like them you can invest those points in power fists to make a CC bomb squad with Kantor and the 5 combimeltas in the squad.

**CaptainJay**

jpwyrm wrote:I play Kantor a lot and I must say I like Kylis' list a lot. It's pretty different than what I usually bring on the board but I think it takes advantage of Pedro's ability quite well.

One thing I would change though, is to ditch the two attack bikes (don't like those very much) and get a libby with Avenger and Null Zone (possibly GoI as I think this can be quite good to seize/contest objectives sometimes).

I don't understand why people don't like attack bikes (except when they're against them), I think of them as the best multi-melta delievery system, they're cheap have a great statline T4(5) 2W, can assault with krak grenades if they fail to destroy said target, plus ATSKNF & combat tactics. Not to mention the smaller profile than speeders, cover saves etc! I struggle to make lists without them nowadays :-P
All that said, some psychic defence in your list would probably be useful and a Librarian with null zone/avenger is probably the most versalite set up.

**godzilla757**

id much rather pay 20 more points and get armor 10 with a heavy flamer that can also deepstrike in. Unless you were planning a bike-themed marine army I could never see the point in taking an attack bike over a MM/HF speeder as they compete for the same FA slots and fulfill the same basic roll of melta delivery.

**Kylis**

godzilla757 wrote:id much rather pay 20 more points and get armor 10 with a heavy flamer that can also deepstrike in. Unless you were planning a bike-themed marine army I could never see the point in taking an attack bike over a MM/HF speeder as they compete for the same FA slots and fulfill the same basic roll of melta delivery.

I have to say after running 3 MM/HF speeders they rarely accomplish anything. When deployed via deepstrike they may scatter away from range or the melta misses and next turn they are either destroyed or weaponless from S6+ fire which nowdays very common. I guess I don't have to say what happens if they are deployed normally at the same time as rest of the army.