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Playing in a tournament in a few weeks. Every time I play in a tournament Gray Knights show up, and I just get demolished. My usual Nob Biker List just doesn't cut it against their Force Weapons, so I have been grasping at straws. These are my latest:

Wazdakka 180 HQ1
Big Mek A 90 HQ2
Lootas 1 225 E1
Lootas 2 225 E2
Lootas 3 225 E3
Shoota Boyz A 65 T1
Trukk 45 TDV
Shoota Boyz B 65 T2
Shoota Boyz C 65 T3
Warbikers 1 135 T4
Warbikers 2 140 T5
Warbikers 3 140 T6
Deffkopta A 45 FA1
Deffkopta B 45 FA2
Deffkopta C 45 FA3
Looted Wagon 1 135 HS1
Looted Wagon 2 135 HS2
Looted Wagon 3 135 HS3

Looted Wagons have Boomgunz in middle of table. Shoota Boyz on foot lined up in front of them to stop them from moving if I roll a 1 and be speed bumps. KKF Big Mek in a Trukk with 10 Boy meat shield behind Wagons. Deffkoptas and Warbikerz zooming around shooting, claiming objectives, cracking vehicles, and NOT getting into CC. Lootas and Wagons shooting the crap out of everything.

Zogwart 145 HQ1
Big Mek A 90 HQ2
Tankbustas 260 E1
Lootas 1 225 E2
Lootas 2 225 E3
Shoota Boyz A 65 T1
Trukk 45 TDV
Shoota Boyz B 177 T2
Shoota Boyz C 177 T3
Shoota Boyz D 177 T4
Deffkopta A 45 FA1
Deffkopta B 45 FA2
Deffkopta C 45 FA3
Battlewagon 140 HS1
Looted Wagon 1 135 HS2
Looted Wagon 2 135 HS3

Tankbustas and Zogwart tooling around in a Battlewagon, hoping to Deep Strike in the midst of the enemy. Looted Wagons have Boomgunz in middle of table. Mobs of Shoota Boyz on foot swarming the field. KKF Big Mek in a Trukk with 10 Boy meat shield behind Wagons. Deffkoptas zooming around cracking vehicles. Lootas and Wagons shooting the crap out of everything.

Just some ideas. What do you think, and what are your ideas?

IF you want to go against infantry/light vehicles how about Nob with a boss pole and PK with boy meat shields. There is nothing a PK can't kill if rolled well.

I'd go with your first list. Because Looted Wagons with Boomguns destroy MEQs at STR 8, AP 3. Lootas are also an amazing unit, for the same reason. Warbikers, best mobile dakka orks can field. I love ork armies that are this shooty, you simply have so many shots that every until the enemy has gets shot twice a turn.

Your biggest weakness will be armies that have alot of deepstrike.


I don't know about your second list, I have never played with Old Zogwart so i can't talk there, but, tank bustas have the "Glory Hogs" rule, which makes them quite un-reliable if there are alot of light vehicles on the table.

Just some thoughts, hoped it helps.

My Warbiker list is relying on the Troop FOCs to shoot rather than CC, but they all have at least 1 PK. My Boyz list does have the PK meatshield combo.

Yes, the second list will take away 1/3 of my Lootas. However, if there is a lot of enemy armour, I should have my pick of what to shoot. Glory Hogs doesn't have any 'closest' requirement, just LOS. And I can move any direction I please in the Movement Phase, 13 inches in my pretty red 'Wagon, jump out 2 inches, shoot, and assault another 6. If there is not a lot of enemy armour, then I can run them down with my Tankbusta loaded Deffrolla pushin Battlewagon. My Lootas will eat AV12 and below.

My main problem have been Gray Knight Paladins/Terminators. It's just really hard to kill them, even with big Slugga Boyz Mobs.

The best Anti-Terminator unit i have ever fielded was two Zzap gun batteries. They average STR 7, and have AP 2, it is basically 3 dead terminators a turn.

My best advice would be to (From your first list) take out one Looted wagon and throw in a Zazap gun battery (only because your have Termy problems). They are about equal points also.

Btw just because there's Boyz in front it doesn't stop the Looted Wagon from moving, it still moves, just limited distance. Only time it cannot move is when it's immobilised.

You also need to put wargear on things unless you haven't got any. At the moment Dethkoptas and Warbikers cannot crack armour.

Looted wagons may not move on the battlefield if there is nowhere to go but on 1 it can not shoot. On average that is only 5 templates in the first 2 turns, which you are hoping he bunches up his troops.

Depending on tournament rules and the usual scenery they have I would be tempted to go for 9 big guns if you want a shooting list.

Zogwart is not stable enough for a tournament.

Your transports are huge targets and your squads are not big enough.

Otherwise there is a lack of armour killing ability and the koptas are just naked, as already be pointed out.

@ Zarruk: I fielded 9 Zzap Gunz in a 'Ard Boyz Semi practice match. Dude just dropped Mordrak and 10 Paladins right on top of them. Even after three rounds of shooting, I hadn't killed any with my batteries because the BS 3, 2D6 strength, and Paladin wound allocation was not consistent enough. I'm hoping that the 2 inch dispersion or Deep Strike formation will be tight enough for the S8 Large Blast template to be more effective. And I will be able to use the template on more targets than I would Zzap Gunz or Cannons.

@ Mercer and Fletch: I know the Looted Wagons won't fire, but they won't go kareening into the sodded enemy either. 45 point Deffkoptas have Twin Linked Rokkits. Every Warbike and big Shoota Boy Mob Mob has a Nob with a PK, so 4 each list. Sorry I didn't type that in.

For armour killing, I still have Lootas, Tankbustas, and Boomgunz.


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Big Mek A, KFF 85 HQ1
Big Mek B, KFF 85 HQ2
Tankbustas 260 E1
12 Rokkits, 3 Bomb Squigs, 2 Tankhammaz, 1 Nob PK, BP, EA
Lootas 1 15 Deffgunz 225 E2
Lootas 2 15 Deffgunz 225 E3
Shoota Boyz B 10 Shootas, 1 Big Shoota 71 T1
Trukk, Big Shoota 35 TDV
Shoota Boyz C 182 T2
21 Shootas, 1 Big Shoota, 1 Nob PK, BS, BP, EA
Shoota Boyz D 176 T3
20 Shootas, 1 Big Shoota, 1 Nob PK, BS, BP, EA
Shoota Boyz E 176 T4
20 Shootas, 1 Big Shoota, 1 Nob PK, BS, BP, EA
Deffkopta A Twin Rokkits 45 FA1
Deffkopta B Twin Rokkits 45 FA2
Wartrakks, 3 Twin Rokkits 120 FA3
Battlewagon 140 HS1
Deff Rolla, Red Paint, Armour Plates, 2 Big Shootas
Looted Wagon 1 135 HS2
Boomgun, 2 Big Shootas, 'Ard Case, Armoured Plates
Looted Wagon 2 135 HS3
Boomgun, 2 Big Shootas, 'Ard Case, Armoured Plates

Big Mek A in Battlewagon with Tankbustas surrounded by Wartrakks for mobility.
Big Mek B in Trukk with Shoota Boys B with Looted Wagons for artillery.
3 big Shoota Boyz Mobs for general.
2 Loota Boyz Mobs for general.
2 Deffkoptas for vehicle harassment.

Ghenghis Jon wrote:

@ Mercer and Fletch: I know the Looted Wagons won't fire, but they won't go kareening into the sodded enemy either. 45 point Deffkoptas have Twin Linked Rokkits. Every Warbike and big Shoota Boy Mob Mob has a Nob with a PK, so 4 each list. Sorry I didn't type that in.

The Looted Wagons won't be going towards the enemy much as they should be at the back of the board anyway. Kopta without a buzzsaw isn't that scary to vehicles at all. The power of Deffkoptas is alpha strike stationary targets on turn 1 or outflank and tie units up in assault. Tankbustas are also not reliable anti tank, having Tankbustas firing at something you have no control over isn't cool.