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Hello all. This was my first DA list. Chose Deathwing because of the concept, and never got to
really play with terminators (played Eldar, nids, tau, CSM and Mech BA).

HQ
Belial - 130
-SS/TH

Troop
Deathwing Squad - 290
-4 x SS/TH
-Banner
-Apothecary
-CML

Deatwing Squad - 235
-5 SS/TH
-CML

Deatwing Squad - 235
-5 SS/TH
-CML

Deatwing Squad - 235
-5 SS/TH
-CML

Deatwing Squad - 235
-5 SS/TH
-CML

Fast Attack

Ravenwing Support Squad (Land Speeder) - 75
-MM
-TML

Ravenwing Support Squad (Land Speeder) - 75
-MM
-TML

Heavy Support

Dev Squad - 170
-4 ML

Dev Squad - 170
-4 ML

Ive heard many say that the teleport homer scout bike squad is the way to go, but i chose more firepower over the utility.
I am obtaining a ravenwing force just in case they in fact are better.
comment/crits appreciated.

I do not know much of anything about the Deathwing armies, but the homer sounds like a good idea with all those Termies.

Drop both Devs and add 2 vindicators with dozers. With the saved 80 points add 3rd Speeder.

Personally, I play Belial with Lightning Claws. Gives you a threat at Int 5.

Your list seems fine. I do agree with the vindies instead of the Devs. I useally use 2 myself and they are a pretty nice addition to the army.

The bikes are not scout bikes they are marine bikes. They have scout USR and tport homers. I use a squad of 6 with plasmaguns. They are so useful if youplan on DS'ing your terminators.

I agree I give Belial LC's also. He is a beast coupled with the banner. I do majority LC's with some TH/SS in the squads. I feel I get more of a CC unit with the Claws. You choice though of course.

I feel Belial really ought to have SS/TH just to make him live a bit longer which is an issue with him.

The bikes idea is nice. However they are expensive if you go for more than three you should really look into dualwing. Also they do not help with target saturation giving a soft target and also they are not that killy for their price.

The issue with deathwing is lack of mobility and limited attack options. Dev. squads doesn't help either of these points and gives a ap3 target.

Vindicators are good but the range means they have to rush ahead to shoot leaving your termies exposed. The best bet is predators as they can hold back with the termies and yet still have mobility.

You will need LCs in your squads. At the moment the deathwing with TH/SS are great against hard cc units, soft units like orks and BA assault squads will really hurt. Seeing as you intend to kill these units in cc LCs are important.

Apoth. and chapter standard can have normal equipment, so you want 5 SS/TH or LCs, good luck modelling that.

Finally I would not go for 5 squads. This takes too many points up and limits the army. You can do with extra pred and typhoon more than a fifth squad. I know this has issues with D. assault.

I've had some success with a Land Raider Crusader to carry in the assault termies. Between the built-in assault grenade bonus and assault-from-the-tank bonus, it makes them less of a sitting duck than deep-striking and sitting around for a turn in base contact with each other.
The drawback to using Deathwing Assault with assault termies is that it makes you a sitting duck at a time when your opponent's army is largely intact. Don't forget that even lasguns can kill terminators if they roll enough dice... as I discovered by landing next to 30 Guardsmen last week.

I tend to deep-strike only squads with storm bolters/assault cannons as they can take on nearby threats the same turn they land. Plus you don't want to put every squad in the same place next to your one bike squad.

Revised list. Talked to a few gys at the shop and took suggestions from the boards. Still a fan of th/ss.

Belial - 130

Dws - 295
-th/ss apoth
-th/ss banner
-th/ss cml
-th/ss
-cf/sb

Dws - 240 (x4)
-3x th/ss
-th/ss cml
-cf/sb

RWAS - 315
- +3 bikes
-2 meltas
-mm attk bike
-PF

RWSS - 75 (x2)
-MM
-TML
Realized that chainfists help with random land raiders instead of glancing missiles and 2 MM. Bikes for homer. Texting from phone so excuse me.

I like the new list alot better. I do feel it could get alittle bit better. I used to put meltas on my bikes they never did anything for me. You have to get to close to make it worth while and then they would get assaulted and die. I put Plasmaguns on mine. Works enough for transport blowing up and heavy infantry. I would lose the PK on the Sgt. again don't really want to get into CC with those bikes.

I love the Speeders, they have helped me out so much. I run two as well.

I don't think you need 5 terminator squads. I only run 4 and that is plenty for most to deal with.

This is what I use.

Belial: Claws
Sammael: Speeder

Terms
-Apoth
-Banner
-CML
-Mix of LC's and TH/SS

Terms (x3 squads)
-Mix of LC's and TH/SS
-CML

Bikes
-Apoth
-+3 Bikes
-x2 Plasmagun

Speeder
-MM, Typoon
Speeder
-MM, Typoon

Vindicator
Vindicator

I just noticed yours was for 1850. Could drop the 2 vindies and add a speeder (AC/HB) to the troops bikes squad. Maybe a MM attack bike as I didn't get one in there. But not so much a fan as they are easy KP points for the enemy. This has worked for me with flying colors. Now what you do with this is up to you I just wanted to show you another take on a Duel wing army. I useally keep Belial's squad and one other squad in reserve. Drop Belial first turn using the homers and after bikes have scouted.

Really do not think that you'll be able to stroll up to a landraider. As such not too keen on the chainfist. Your list will lose to orks without LCs.

I understand typhoons as they are dirt cheap and the bike squad for the homer. All of which muck up target saturation by giving a soft target. However the attack bike doesn't really fit, at the least go for another typhoon. Yes, the attack bike is cheap as well but doesn't have the ranged attack which the termies may need.