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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/12 02:41:18
Subject: Splitting attacks and Multi-charge
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I got asked this the other night and I gave my best answer that I could come up with but wanted to see what others think.
One of the new players was being played by one of our big bug players. The new player had 2 tanks parked within 3 to 4 inches of each other. Bug player charges in with one of his MC's and multi-charges the two vehicles, he then declares he is splitting his attacks on to both vehicles. Is this even possible? I use multi-charges a lot, the bug player actually learned the technique from watching me do it with my BA squads, but can a single model/unit multi-charge? Also, can a model split his attacks in this case? I told the new player that the attack splitting was a "no", but I was not totally sure on the Multi-charge. The game was the other day, so I did not get to discuss it with the other player yet, but it would be helpful to know the answer to this. The other player normally plays the new players a lot and it would be best for them to learn good play and not something that might be underhanded.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/12 02:51:27
Subject: Splitting attacks and Multi-charge
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sir Blayse wrote:I got asked this the other night and I gave my best answer that I could come up with but wanted to see what others think.
One of the new players was being played by one of our big bug players. The new player had 2 tanks parked within 3 to 4 inches of each other. Bug player charges in with one of his MC's and multi-charges the two vehicles, he then declares he is splitting his attacks on to both vehicles.
A single model cannot initiate a multi-assault.
Page 34 under "Moving Assaulting Models". The first model to move may not move into base contact with models in a unit that it is not charging.
So that part was illegal.
However if engaged with multiple units, you may split your attacks freely. Page 41 under "Attacking"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/12 02:54:31
Subject: Splitting attacks and Multi-charge
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Nungunz got it,
Even if he thinks his big bug can get into contact with 2x units it's worth noting nothing allows him to Automatically Appended Next Post: Nungunz got it,
Even if he thinks his big bug can get into contact with 2x units it's worth noting nothing allows him to
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/12 02:59:19
Subject: Splitting attacks and Multi-charge
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Interesting, thanks for that reference I will have to highlight that in the BRB.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/12 04:10:15
Subject: Splitting attacks and Multi-charge
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Fixture of Dakka
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Also remember the first model must assault by the shortest path. This would make it almost impossible to legally multiassault because the shortest distance to one vehicle would almost never be the same shortest distance to the other. To touch both it would have to go slightly farther to reach both...
And the rules don't allow it, but every but helps against nid players who want to get an advantage
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/12 18:09:01
Subject: Re:Splitting attacks and Multi-charge
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Heroic Senior Officer
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There's also this bit on page 34, ASSAULTING MULTIPLE ENEMY UNITS:
"As usual the closest attacking model must be moved to contact the closest model in the enemy unit against which the assault was declared. Then remaining models can assault models belonging to other enemy units"
So only the 2nd model on can assault units other than the unit you declare an assault against. And no, you cannot declare an assault against two units.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/12 23:58:18
Subject: Re:Splitting attacks and Multi-charge
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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don_mondo wrote:There's also this bit on page 34, ASSAULTING MULTIPLE ENEMY UNITS:
"As usual the closest attacking model must be moved to contact the closest model in the enemy unit against which the assault was declared. Then remaining models can assault models belonging to other enemy units"
So only the 2nd model on can assault units other than the unit you declare an assault against. And no, you cannot declare an assault against two units.
Since you cannot declare an assault against two units.
What happens when the first model goes through open terrain but the following model goes to assault another unit and has to go through difficult terrain? Does the whole unit have to roll the 2 D6 movement test or does it get to move its full 6" as the initial assault was through open ground or do the individual models assaulting the 2nd unit test?
This situation came up in a game the other day and we didnt really know the rule to use. He claimed since he never had to declare the assult on the second unit so he got to use the full move? I let him do this as I didn't know what the situation would be if the second guy does test and then fails? does the whole unit go back? does he get to charge the orginal unit instead? does the whole unit now fail the assault?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/13 00:05:36
Subject: Splitting attacks and Multi-charge
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Fixture of Dakka
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If any model moves through difficult terrain or will move through difficult terrain on an assault, you roll. You should be able to tell when you will or will not need to test. If you think you might, then roll.
He should have never moved a model until he rolled.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/13 01:19:03
Subject: Re:Splitting attacks and Multi-charge
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Of course if you had a unit of 2 or 3 of the big, nasty bugs (which most 'nid players [at least those that I've seen] will agree are not worth their points), he would be able to multi-charge 2 tanks 3" apart.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/13 18:30:32
Subject: Re:Splitting attacks and Multi-charge
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Heroic Senior Officer
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What nkelsch said. Page ref main rulebook, Assaulting through Cover:
ASSAULTING THROUGH COVER
If, following the rules for moving assaulting models (see page 34), any model in an assaulting unit will have to go through difficult or dangerous terrain as part of its assault move, the unit must take the relevant terrain test before moving.
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