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Hey guys,

This scenario cropped up in our last game and the rules weren't that clear on how to resolve the leadership penalty.

5 Wolf Guard Terminators assaulted a Farseer and 6 dire avengers, 4 of my terminators attacked the dire avengers and 1 attacked the farseer. The Eldar inflicted 2 wounds on the Terminators which they saved. The Terminators inflicted 9 wounds on the avengers killing all 6 and wounded the Farseer twice which were saved.

Now that means the Eldar player lost the combat by 9 wounds, however only the farseer is left which was only wounded twice. Does the Farseer now count as a separate unit (as the unit it was attached to no longer exists) or is her leadership value reduced by 9?

If she does get the full penalty can she regroup as she is no longer attached to a unit, we decided to give her the penalty and allow her to regroup.

First, they lost by 6, not 9.

Second, the IC was part of the unit when the assault occurred, so AFAIK, they take the penalty.

No, they lost combat by 6. Excess wounds are lost.

They are ONE unit until the next movement phase, so the Farseer loses by 6, and will be able to regroup next phase (assuming they run far enough away, arent sweeping advanced, etc)

The Farseer was on the losing side of the battle no matter if his unit was wiped out or not. He tests at -6 for losing.

I am confused, why is it considered lost at 6 and not 9?
I can see an argument for it being 7 as the farseer saved 2 wounds.

Because it's only wounds that were caused. Since the DA have 1 wound each, you can only cause 6 wounds to kill them all.

rigeld2 wrote:Because it's only wounds that were caused. Since the DA have 1 wound each, you can only cause 6 wounds to kill them all.

Didn't the farseer take a wound? Or am i misreading this and the terminators actually caused a total of 11 wounds (9 against the avengers and 2 against the farseer)?
If that is the case then i understand loosing the assault by 6.

He said 9 wounds on the avengers, killing all 6 DA (6 wounds) and 2 on the farseer which were saved. So 6 wounds caused.

SylvanaSekNadin wrote:I am confused, why is it considered lost at 6 and not 9?
I can see an argument for it being 7 as the farseer saved 2 wounds.

The reason why is because combat resolution is determined by now many unsaved wounds were taken.

You inflicted 9 wounds on the eldar, 7 of which were on the dire avengers, and two more on the farseer.

Now there are 6 dire avengers, each one one wound each. Since they can't save against the wounds, they die. That's 6 wounds.

The farseer, taking two wounds, but saving both, doesn't add to wounds taken.

This means, at the end of combat, the eldar lost by 6.

Please keep in mind that instant death also affects this, if you do a single instant death wound to a 2 wound model and it dies, that's 2 wounds taken, not 1.

Ahh thanks guys i always thought it was wounds inflicted and not unsaved ones. Glad to see we were nearly right lol

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