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Hey all, I am new to Dakkadakka.com as well as new to comming back to 40k.

I am building an ork army and I have read Flash Gitz really aren't worth it to field, but my main question is about their measuring rule.

It says: Flash gitz may measure to see if they are in range before declaring their target."

So does that mean when declaring all my shooters, I can choose to "declare" with the flash gitz first, using the measuring tape to measure out 24 inches in various directions to see if I am in range, thus giving me an idea on my overall distance relative to from where my Flash Gitz are.

(In Example) I have a unit of Orks Boyz next to the flash gitz, so by declaring flash gitz first I can measure the 24 inch distance and then base my decision on what to do with the Ork Boyz armed with the knowledge of exactly how far 24 inches is from their relative point.

As far as I know this is fine.... though no one seems to like flash gits

I have them in my army line-up so far because I think that the measuring thing will help me gauge distances better since I am starting warhamer/warhammer 40k again and don't have "relative" distances down yet.

The main reason I would dislike Flash Gitz is because they are so darn expensive! (point wise and $$ wise!) I believe on the gamesworkshop website, you can only buy them 1 at a time and they are only metal, costing about $16.50 each?

So for a unit of ten flash gitz I am looking at roughly at least 165$ for all 10, and that is with zero tax!

I may have to take them out of the 1750 point lineup for now though as I would rather buy other models first than drop 165$ on 10 flash gitz. haha, they are indeed "Flashy" in more than one way...haha

on top of that I notice it says this with the product...

This model is only available via in-store order points, the Games Workshop web site or by calling Games Workshop Customer Services..

So I couldn't have it shipped to my local game store then, hehe, lets add shipping/tax on top of that 165$...

See, if you're buying them from GW, you're doing it wrong. Flash Gits are one of the easier, and more fun units to konvert for yourself. Just grab some Nobz, some plasticard tube (or an IG Heavy Weapons Team) and start konvertin' away. KingKracker's got some awesomely simple conversions going on, too, with Nob kombi-weapons. But basically, you give them a big gun, a bionic eye, and some 'eavy Armour, and you've got yerself a Git.


And actually, because the rule says "Before declaring their target" you can measure from the Flash Gits at any time in the game, to any unit. Plus, it's fun how they get AP3 1/2 of the time.

Anvildude wrote:See, if you're buying them from GW, you're doing it wrong. Flash Gits are one of the easier, and more fun units to konvert for yourself. Just grab some Nobz, some plasticard tube (or an IG Heavy Weapons Team) and start konvertin' away. KingKracker's got some awesomely simple conversions going on, too, with Nob kombi-weapons. But basically, you give them a big gun, a bionic eye, and some 'eavy Armour, and you've got yerself a Git.


And actually, because the rule says "Before declaring their target" you can measure from the Flash Gits at any time in the game, to any unit. Plus, it's fun how they get AP3 1/2 of the time.

Cool, I will have to check it out. I definetly have tons of regular Warhammer Orcs to mess with, (mostly boyz, but I have probably 20 black orcs too). I already have ripped an arm off a black ork and gave em a blasta, maybe to declare him as a 'ard boy", but I duno.

So, then I could measure any time? (not that I probabaly should) but even during my opponents turn I could just break out my measuring tape and measure? lol.

But the key thing being, I have to measure toward an enemy unit, I cannot just measure for the sake of measuring if there is no enemy unit in the direction I am measuring, right?

You may only measure when shooting your flash gitz during your shooting phase.

Basically instead of choosing a target then measuring, you may measure to every unit you wish to see if they are in rage and then select the target.

It can help with distances for other ork units, but only if you can remember what the measuring in the shooting phase showed.

Ah ah! Nope. See, it says 'before declaring their target', not 'before declaring their target in the Shooting phase'. It's loopholes like that that make them nearly worthwhile.

I'm not an expert on flash git RAW, but I think you'd be hard pressed to get many people to agree with your claim that you can measure from the gits whenever you want.

Anvildude wrote:Ah ah! Nope. See, it says 'before declaring their target', not 'before declaring their target in the Shooting phase'. It's loopholes like that that make them nearly worthwhile.

Oh dear god it says nothing of the sort:

"WHEN SHOOTING, Flash Gitz may measure to see if they are in rage before declaring their target."
PG56 ork codex

Well, for the sake of "less cheese" I will just assume the rule is while I am declaring my shooters.

But to clarify, you declare all shooters at once right? But I can "declare" my Flash Gitz first, thus being able to measure and get a sense of distance, then follow up with my other unit declarations, basing decisions off of information I acquired from measuring with the flash gitz.

Edit: Ah yes, I am sorry but I forgot to type the "when shooting" part. Guess that clears things up. Sorry about leaving that out originally.

Once you begin shooting one unit, you can't switch to another until you are done.

Ah, right. Sorry, I generally don't bother with checking my codex when I think folks have put down the whole rule. You are correct, there.

Still, it's one of those uses for Gitz that's more than just "Shoot stuff, Assault it, Hurr" like most Orks.

I find that Gitz and Tankbustas are undervalued, precisely because they're only thought of as straightforward as other Ork units. Thing is, it's not a bad thing that most Orks are straightforward. It's just that Gitz and Bustas have a little subtlety to them, in how they work with other units. Bustas are a great psychological warfare tool, and Gitz can be used in conjunction with other units as a distraction or supporting element.

You also dont declare all shooting units, then fire with each - you declare each unit will shoot, fully resolve their shooting, and move onto the next unit.

Anvildude wrote:See, if you're buying them from GW, you're doing it wrong. Flash Gits are one of the easier, and more fun units to konvert for yourself. Just grab some Nobz, some plasticard tube (or an IG Heavy Weapons Team) and start konvertin' away. KingKracker's got some awesomely simple conversions going on, too, with Nob kombi-weapons. But basically, you give them a big gun, a bionic eye, and some 'eavy Armour, and you've got yerself a Git.


And actually, because the rule says "Before declaring their target" you can measure from the Flash Gits at any time in the game, to any unit. Plus, it's fun how they get AP3 1/2 of the time.

Hey thanks for the props there



But yea, you can use their gitfindas to help plan distances with other units and such, infact its pretty common. Personally I hate the gitfindas because I think the premeasure is a hokey rule, and should rather either increase their BS or allow their weapons to be TL. But thats just me. So yes, you can use them "first" to better plan either your run/waaaaagh! or to help set units up in the next turn, totally legal

While you can, ask yourself if it really in the interest of fair play to measure around the board to get distance guages for other units.

It isn't really different from shooting a trukk's/bw's big shoota to see if your boyz next to it are in range.

It wouldn't be if I did that. I pretty much decide who is shooting where before I start any firing. About the only time I change my mind is if a unit I was planning to target either gets wiped out or takes more casualties than I figured they would. I don't fire a single BS at a full unit of SMs just to see if it is 18" or 18.5" away from a shoota mob next to it. But then I've been playing since the Emporer was a conscript so I can pretty well tell how far a unit is away from looking at it.

Boss GreenNutz wrote:While you can, ask yourself if it really in the interest of fair play to measure around the board to get distance guages for other units.

Why else would they have included the rule?

Perhaps to see if the Flash Gitz themselves are in range?

I'm pretty sure that who ever wrote the rule knew full well how people would use it, and if it really were that big of a deal some one would've cried foul long before now.

Ranting Fool wrote:As far as I know this is fine.... though no one seems to like flash gits

I LOVE FLASH GITZ!!!!! and it is fine (great loophole too)

Its not a loophole and its not abusing a rule to your advantage either. Its a completely legal and commonly used rule when people take FlashGitz. Nothing wrong with it at all. So go ahead and use it, thats what its there for.

Infact Ive used it plenty of times, in my super shooty lists, to make sure my units are just out side of assault range. So I know they wont be assaulted, can still pour another round of shooting into the enemy and then assault whats left.

I definately don't want to play against someone who would use such a rules loophole. The mentality behind it is what bothers me the most.

Loophole?
You're not bending any rules at all. The rules allow you to do it.

Exactly, theres nothing to bend. Thats what the rule DOES. Plain and simple. Saying your bending the rules with that, would be like saying, Well I shot with nuit A and when I measured unit X was 19 inches away, now I know that unit B is JUST outside of assault range of Unit X. Is that rules bending too? No, its not. the only difference is you used the FlashGits PRE MEASURE rules, instead of shooting and measuring