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Made in ie
Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine





The Dornian Heresy is basically an alternate timeline for the Imperium, with Horus remaining loyal along with the other traitors. What I'm wondering is if there'd be a problem with making a loyalist Emperor's Children army from this universe playing the C:SM rules? Apart from playing loyal EC vs traitor EC, it doesn't seem to be too weird...

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Hellish Haemonculus






Boskydell, IL

I'm building a Dornian Heresy army myself, so I'm fully behind you!

And if anyone gives you flak, tell them to kiss your hiney. If they really, really start to whine, tell them it's a pre-Heresy army, and to shut up.

Welcome to the Freakshow!

(Leadership-shenanigans for Eldar of all types.) 
   
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge





Boston, MA

Considering the Space Marine codex is meant to portray loyalist armies and you're playing a loyalist Marine army, there's no problem here.

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Made in ie
Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine





What happened to the Firesword after Isstvan in either Heresy by the way? I was thinking of using it as a special weapon if the EC still have it.

Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can play the best chess in the world, but at the end of the day the pigeon will still knock all the pieces off the board and then gak all over it. 
   
Made in fr
Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman





Just a heads up, the loyal Dornian Emperor's Children have limited kit as they believed they had reached perfection pre-heresy therefore they cut down your army choices.

"Modifications such as the Tilvius APC or the brutish Vindicator are looked upon as at best a corruption of the purity of the venerable Rhino chassis. Even smaller variants in weapon system such as the Predator Dominator and the Land Raider Incinerator are shunned.
Their laborious production of older weapons and wargear mean that the Emperor‟s Children are the only legion able to field appreciable numbers of jet-bikes, which they maintain, with some justification, are more than a match for the slow and ungainly Land Speeder. Another example of the superiority of the legion‟s venerable war-gear is the Raptor jump pack. The complexity of manufacture and maintenance of these devices became prohibitive even for the Legionnes Astartes. When the STC for the simpler, but far less effective DH2 pattern jump pack was discovered, only the Emperor‟s Children opted to retain the older form in service. Such rigid adherence to Fulgrim‟s pre-Heresy vision of perfection,"

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Kroothawk wrote:Are you sure that pre-industrial Napoleonic times, steampunk and SciFi fit together visually? It sure is a wide stretch.

Right because a game in which hobbits with sniper rifles, Geiger's aliens,Romanesque super soliders and WWI-WWII tanks fight Anime ripp-offs and "orcs" with guns this is a stretch...

Avatar 720 wrote:There were never any missing legions, the Emperor was just crap at maths.
 
   
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Shado.Raith wrote:Just a heads up, the loyal Dornian Emperor's Children have limited kit as they believed they had reached perfection pre-heresy therefore they cut down your army choices.

"Modifications such as the Tilvius APC or the brutish Vindicator are looked upon as at best a corruption of the purity of the venerable Rhino chassis. Even smaller variants in weapon system such as the Predator Dominator and the Land Raider Incinerator are shunned.
Their laborious production of older weapons and wargear mean that the Emperor‟s Children are the only legion able to field appreciable numbers of jet-bikes, which they maintain, with some justification, are more than a match for the slow and ungainly Land Speeder. Another example of the superiority of the legion‟s venerable war-gear is the Raptor jump pack. The complexity of manufacture and maintenance of these devices became prohibitive even for the Legionnes Astartes. When the STC for the simpler, but far less effective DH2 pattern jump pack was discovered, only the Emperor‟s Children opted to retain the older form in service. Such rigid adherence to Fulgrim‟s pre-Heresy vision of perfection,"


Not the end of the world. Might crimp the gaming lifestyle a bit, but the only modeling thing would be figuring out how to crump together some jet bikes to proxy as land speeders. Unless you want to drop fat cash on multis of that Ravenwing dude.

I don't know if there's a Dornian homebrew codex, but from what I remember of the 1k Sons' Dornian fluff, they were setup so that you would play them as CSM 1k Sons. Some fluff about how the soulbinding had them focus all their energy through the sargent, and if he was lost the entire squad would lose focus and be 'stunned'. More or less how the rubric and aspiring sorcerer works now. I don't know if the EC fluff was similar in theme.

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Made in za
Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes






I would say go for it! The Dornain heresy is an awesome fan made back story, and i personally love it and support your idea 100%.
   
Made in gb
Sniping Hexa





SW UK

The Dornian heresy makes me like ultramarines ALLOT more.

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Napoleonics Obsesser






That sounds awesome! The possibilities of how different the universe would be are mind-boggling.

So. Are the roles just switched, and all the 'loyalist legions' (ultramarines, Iron Hands, etc) have turned to chaos, and all the "Chaos Legions" (alpha legion, word bearers) remained loyal to the emprah?


If only ZUN!bar were here... 
   
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought





The Beach

There's some switching of roles from Chaos to Loyal, but others, like the Ultramarines are "loyal" but have formed their own empire, treating both sides as traitors. The Iron Hands were "possessed" by the Necrons. Hard to explain. Kinda just have to read it all.

It's all well written, and while the whole "role reversal" part seems a bit extreme, the multi-faction human empires is pretty cool. Given the preponderance of the Space Marine vs Space Marine games, I guess it almost makes more sense than the current fluff.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

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