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The beige rectangle is a 8" tall ruin with 3 floors. The five blue circles are an unit from benevolent Army A located at the very top of the ruin. The five red circles are a unit from evil Army B attempting to Deep Strike, dark red being the first model placed.

We've so far treated the ruin as the rulebook suggests. Models can move through walls and up floors taking a difficult terrain check. 3" to reach an upper floor. Nothing is impassable.

So, if the Deep Striking unit (red) scatters and lands as pictured, does it mishap? I'm not sure if one or two models land on the top of the ruin (and thus are within 1" of an enemy model), or if they land on the ground level part way through the ruin wall (where I suppose they'd only take a dangerous terrain check). I'm sure Wobbly Model Syndrome applies in some way, but would it say the red models land on the top level (even though they can't fit)...or that the models can land part way through the wall (and just have to be placed by the side?). Both ways sound partly right, so I am confused. Please: make da call.

Due to the fact the one model cannot be placed per DS rules, the unit would mishap.

If it can land on the bottom floor, it is landing in difficult terrain, isn't it (and so takes a dangerous terrain check per deep strike rules)? The wall is not impassable.

Happyjew wrote:Due to the fact the one model cannot be placed per DS rules, the unit would mishap.

This is not true in this scenario.

They can all be placed because Unit A was on the top floor, and when deep striking into ruins you deep strike onto the ground floor. P.95

You of course still count all difficult terrain as normal for DS units, so you need 2 Dangerous terrain tests, as normal.

As above. DDS units can ONLY hit the bottom floor of any ruins.

Either way, why would you even attempt deep striking so close to something that could kill your troops outright?

Because in this case the presence of the troops on the roof has no effect on whether you mishap?

You CANNOT be within 1" of a unit on the top floor

DeathReaper wrote:They can all be placed because Unit A was on the top floor, and when deep striking into ruins you deep strike onto the ground floor. P.95

You of course still count all difficult terrain as normal for DS units, so you need 2 Dangerous terrain tests, as normal.

nosferatu1001 wrote:As above. DDS units can ONLY hit the bottom floor of any ruins.

Thanks for clearing this up. I did overlook the relevant line: "Units deep striking into ruined buildings are placed on the ground floor." Thanks for not beating me over the head.

Am I correct assuming that, if both models survived their dangerous terrain check, they should be placed next to the wall and treated as if they're part-way through it (per WMS)?

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Either way, why would you even attempt deep striking so close to something that could kill your troops outright?

I had actually placed these models about 11.5" away from the ruin and had an unfortunate scatter (12" straight toward it). Any other direction or any other distance and there would have been no dispute. Now I see I didn't even need to play it so conservatively, but I'll know better next time.

whigwam wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:They can all be placed because Unit A was on the top floor, and when deep striking into ruins you deep strike onto the ground floor. P.95

You of course still count all difficult terrain as normal for DS units, so you need 2 Dangerous terrain tests, as normal.

nosferatu1001 wrote:As above. DDS units can ONLY hit the bottom floor of any ruins.

Thanks for clearing this up. I did overlook the relevant line: "Units deep striking into ruined buildings are placed on the ground floor." Thanks for not beating me over the head.

Am I correct assuming that, if both models survived their dangerous terrain check, they should be placed next to the wall and treated as if they're part-way through it (per WMS)?

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Either way, why would you even attempt deep striking so close to something that could kill your troops outright?

I had actually placed these models about 11.5" away from the ruin and had an unfortunate scatter (12" straight toward it). Any other direction or any other distance and there would have been no dispute. Now I see I didn't even need to play it so conservatively, but I'll know better next time.

If they survive the test, you need to place them as close as possible to the original deep strike formation and in coherency.

Situations like this one where it is hard to place models is why I carry some glass beads to use as position markers. Nothing prevents you from being half in and half out of a wall in a ruin (think of them just busting it apart) assuming the wall is considered passable terrain...other than the physics of actually getting them there. Hopefully this is an assault unit so you can run them during shooting to clear things up.

calypso2ts wrote:Situations like this one where it is hard to place models is why I carry some glass beads to use as position markers. Nothing prevents you from being half in and half out of a wall in a ruin (think of them just busting it apart) assuming the wall is considered passable terrain...other than the physics of actually getting them there. Hopefully this is an assault unit so you can run them during shooting to clear things up.

They're Bloodcrushers, so they'll be running.

Thanks again everyone. Very helpful.

In a similar vein, using the rule mentioned above ("Units deepstriking into ruined buildings are placed on the ground floor") how would it work with a drop pod, considering the fact that not many drop pods are small enough to fit between floors?

Would a drop pod still come in on the ground floor? If yes, what happens (if anything) if it cannot physically fit?

Yes, it must still land in the bottom floor. The ruins rules tell you to get as close as you can

Does it matter if it cannot physically fit on the bottom floor? (Since it'll help in the next tourny; I already know I got cheated now, but I want to press every advantage I get because of it.)

Nope - you then get WMS (wobbly model syndrome) in force

How would it work for LoS purposes? A drop pod is pretty big, how would LoS be worked out if you can see through a window into the ruin, but can't figure out if the model you're shooting at is in front of or behind the invisible pod?

Avatar 720 wrote:How would it work for LoS purposes? A drop pod is pretty big, how would LoS be worked out if you can see through a window into the ruin, but can't figure out if the model you're shooting at is in front of or behind the invisible pod?

I think you have to hope you and your opponent are playing in good faith. This will require visualizing where the Pod should be (half-stuck in a ruin) and working from there. As calypso2ts said earlier, leaving beads or some other kind of marker will help a lot, but I don't think there is any one easy solution.