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Ok, I could put this whole post in a spoiler, but not really a nice way to start a new thread. Instead I shall say here and now if you read on and haven't read Legion, Descent of Angels and Fallen Angels then you may learn stuff you would call spoilers. So stop reading now to avoid them .

In another thread this was touched on and didn't want to derail the whole thing towards specifically the DA aspect so creating this one.
The Cabal in Legion are stated as judging the DA to have too much "inherant corruption" and in another thread the gene seed was suggested as the problem.
But as the DA have one of the purest (possibly the purest) geneseed, think said in their codex that is ruled out. So wondering where people believe this corruption stems from. Obviously what Caliban was and how riddled with warp energies it could be said to have been may have influenced this, perhaps the leadership of the Lion or Luthers influence. But could the legion have not been approached before Caliban and the leadership and its course altered? Was the taint just because they are the genetic sons of the Lion and the geneseeds quirks and therefore Legion "personality" made them corrupt?
And yes, UM genestock is also viewed as pure, why DA wouldn't have spawned many chapters since background wise I believe would stem from the "if it isn't broke, don't fix it, or try to improve it in ANY way" mentality in the IoM. UM stock made most of the 2nd founding, go them

So DA and their corruption, was it the Lions gene code? Calibans influence upon the minds of the marines who followed the Terran stock? The Lion himself, or something else, what are peoples thoughts?

They might think it's their trust and loyalty to the Emperor that is the corruption...
Corruption can mean different things.

It could be many things.

1. The Cabal flat out lied. They told Alpharius what ever they had to in order to get him to do what they wanted. They manipulated the Alpha Legion for their own purposes.

2. The Cabal doesn't exist. This is just pure speculation on my part. The Cabal is just a figment of Alpharius's guilt over turning on his brothers and the Emperor. A reason for him to justify his actions, nothing more. Or, the reason he gave to his legion so they would follow him.

Just something to chew on.

ToBeWilly wrote:It could be many things.

1. The Cabal flat out lied. They told Alpharius what ever they had to in order to get him to do what they wanted. They manipulated the Alpha Legion for their own purposes.

2. The Cabal doesn't exist. This is just pure speculation on my part. The Cabal is just a figment of Alpharius's guilt over turning on his brothers and the Emperor. A reason for him to justify his actions, nothing more. Or, the reason he gave to his legion so they would follow him.

Just something to chew on.

If 2, then who was John Gramatticus, and how did he know things neither twin did?

You forgot the most key one:

The Cabal knew that the Primarchs they called "corrupted" were "corrupted" by the fact that they believed in the Emperor's ideal and not the reality of that ideal.

We see it time and time again in "Legion"--the Alpha Legion are realists. They know that the idea of "utopia is a lie".

It's an unobtainable dream.

And yet, it is a useful measure to compare oneself against.

ToBeWilly wrote:1. The Cabal flat out lied. They told Alpharius what ever they had to in order to get him to do what they wanted. They manipulated the Alpha Legion for their own purposes.

and 4 year strong cover...

Durza wrote:If 2, then who was John Gramatticus, and how did he know things neither twin did?

How do we know what the twins knew? The book is from John's perspective. We have no insight into the Primarch(s). We don't have a clue what Alpharius is capable of. He could be a psycker on par with Magnus, or as skilled a fighter as Sanguinius. Or, one can be like Magnus and the other like Sanguinius. We don't know! John Gramatticus could be part of the deception. That's the point, we don't know. The book told us a whole lot of nothing. Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a pretty good book. But, it left the door open for a whole lot of interpretation.

There's that. But the Cabal had manipulated the Legion into being at the place to be shown the true face of chaos for some decades, and the DA had been crusading.
How long before the heresy has the DA come to Caliban? Have no books to hand and the thought occured that possibly since the Lion had taken charge of the Legion and was the decision maker he himself was corrupt.
Reasoning is when the scene of the "accident" in the labs that scattered the primarchs happened there were certain worlds described and one sounded strikingly like Caliban.
Another wild theory for people to rip to shreds or discuss.