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This is Space Marine specific since the vast majority of their models are identical across multiple Codeci (C:SM, Wolves, Angels (Dark and Blood), etc).
What is the general consensus about using a home painted Chapter color scheme as a "counts as" force...assuming everything is correct WYSIWYG.
Specifically: I have almost 30 Terminators painted and based, many with conversions that allow them to stand out if I want to use them as an IC (Lysander for example). Lately I've been toying with the idea of playing Dark Angels Deathwing or Doublewing for a change of pace. The problem is convincing She Who Must Be Obeyed into dropping over $300 on all new models (I really don't want to repaint my current Army).
Would it be permissable (especially in a tournament) to use these WYSIWYG legal Terminators as a Deathwing force without having to repaint them in DA livery?

WYSIWYG legal= all models are showing the exact wargear (SB/PF, TH/SS, LC, CML, Chainfist, etc) that is listed.

Amen brother, rock n' roll! A marine is a marine is a marine. If GW decides to make six armies practically identical, that's their business. They're your models and you can do whatever the hell you want to do.

dkellyj wrote:
Would it be permissable (especially in a tournament) to use these WYSIWYG legal Terminators as a Deathwing force without having to repaint them in DA livery?

Unfortunately, we can't answer that, as it would be on a tournament by tournament basis. However, I would have no problem with this. Sometimes you just like the look of one flavor of marine over another (personally, I really like Chaos and Black Templar models). One of my current projects, even, is creating a Deathwing army but I'm using Chaos Termies because I just like the way they look more.

Read the back of the codex, I know it's true for the Blood angels one, but they say "Encourage" you to make you're own successor chapter, and use that book.

and in tournaments, just make sure your opponent knows what codex you're using...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16800105a

Nuff said.

Pretty much...

as a TO i personally wouldnt have a problem with someone using an original color scheme for your army no matter what codex you use. as long as its all wysiwyg its technically legal. and would welcome originality.
also i dont see why anyone else would have a problem unless its a stretch...kinda like using a fully painted thousand sons army as count-as grey knights

dkellyj wrote:What is the general consensus about using a home painted Chapter color scheme as a "counts as" force...assuming everything is correct WYSIWYG.

Specifically: I have almost 30 Terminators painted and based, many with conversions that allow them to stand out if I want to use them as an IC (Lysander for example). Lately I've been toying with the idea of playing Dark Angels Deathwing or Doublewing for a change of pace. The problem is convincing She Who Must Be Obeyed into dropping over $300 on all new models (I really don't want to repaint my current Army).
Would it be permissable (especially in a tournament) to use these WYSIWYG legal Terminators as a Deathwing force without having to repaint them in DA livery?

WYSIWYG legal= all models are showing the exact wargear (SB/PF, TH/SS, LC, CML, Chainfist, etc) that is listed.

Nothing "counts as" about it, make your own successor chapter fluff and you are a valid army assuming everything is WYSIWYG.

as long as its WYSIWYG, and the TO and your opponents know what Codex you are using, there should be no issue in tournaments.

I love how happy and agreeable everyone is here. I'm staying on this thread.

CpatTom wrote:I love how happy and agreeable everyone is here. I'm staying on this thread.

Right?

Anyway, I'm going back over to OT, much more lolz to be had....haha

I had an epiphany the other day.

If you play a strict codex adherent chapter, the company makeup is - (source index astartes)

1st company - Veterans (terminators, sternguard), represented using deathwing rules.

2nd - 5th company - Battle companies, represented by codex marines.

6th company - Reserve company, trained to deploy entirely on bikes if needed.

7th company - Reserve company, trained to fight from land speeders.

8th company - Assault marines. This company has 10 squads of assault marines, backed by support. Represented by Blood Angels.

9th company - Devastators. This company has 10 squads of devastators. No rules exist to model this :(

10th company - Scouts. The neophyte company, consists of 10 squads of scouts.



This means that any codex adherent chapter can use its chapter colors, legitimately, for Blood Angels, Deathwing, Codex marines (normal), or Codex marines (bikers).

Thats 4 different armies you can play with the same colors, while maintaining a good fluff reason to use another codex to represent a specific company (because GW didn't give us a way to do this in Codex: Marines). You can build up a very nice sized apocalypse army doing this, while at the same time exploring multiple armies.

I currently have a battle company, a deathwing army, a biker army, and i'm in the middle of purchasing another 30 assault marines to make a blood angels army, all in the Aurora Chapter color scheme, representing a task force comprised of the 1st, 5th, 6th, and 8th companies.

As long as its WYSIWYG, go nuts! Honestly, Deathwing is still one of the better options to represent a strict 1st company for any codex chapter. I plan on using the DA codex to represent the Salamander's 1st company.

Blacksails wrote:As long as its WYSIWYG, go nuts! Honestly, Deathwing is still one of the better options to represent a strict 1st company for any codex chapter. I plan on using the DA codex to represent the Salamander's 1st company.

Not like we have a choice. If only GW gave us a marine codex that was able to represent every chapter, instead of spending all their time thinking up new and useless special characters for us.

Got to agree that the C:SM needs a serious mulligan. (I'd like it if they brought back traits and the ability to buy Army-wide upgrades...like T/L weapons or make specific units scoring...a reason to finally take a generic Chapter Master).
A huge key to a Deathwing force is the ability to mix terminator types (PF/SB, TH/SS, LC, CML, SGT) in one unit...letting you allocate wounds to your advantage like ThunderWolf Calv or Nob Bikers; something you cant do in C:SM (although dropping a TH/SS Belial and 30 TH/SS Termies (with 6 CMLs mixed in) would give alot of player kittens.