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So I've had food for thought on one of my bat reps. I've slightly changed my Dark Eldar list to add a little bit of combat punch. I'm not sure on the Wracks yet, I do lose a blaster thanks to them, but they would be great holding a objective, beating up small units in combat and I still have my Venom as well.

Dark Eldar "Coven of a 1000 corpses" - 2,000 points

HQ

Haemonculus

Elite

3 x Kabalite Trueborn w/ Venom - 3 x blasters - Venom w/ splinter cannon
3 x Kabalite Trueborn w/ Venom - 3 x blasters - Venom w/ splinter cannon
3 x Kabalite Trueborn w/ Venom - 3 x blasters - Venom w/ splinter cannon

Troops

5 x Kabalite Warriors w/ Venom - blaster - Venom w/ splinter cannon
5 x Kabalite Warriors w/ Venom - blaster - Venom w/ splinter cannon
5 x Kabalite Warriors w/ Venom - blaster - Venom w/ splinter cannon
5 x Kabalite Warriors w/ Venom - blaster - Venom w/ splinter cannon
5 x Kabalite Warriors w/ Venom - blaster - Venom w/ splinter cannon
5 x Wracks w/ Venom - Venom w/ splinter cannon

Fast Attack

5 x Scourges - 2 x dark lances
5 x Scourges - 2 x dark lances
Beastmasters - 3 x beastmasters, 4 x khymerae & 4 x razorwing flocks

Heavy Support

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Total: 1,997

I suppose its a good idea. Objective matches can hard at times when you want to leave a unit on objective and just sweep the board, but you know that holding unit will die if anything goes near it.

Wracks will put up a okay fight against smaller things, better than Warriors. But just like Warriors, if anything serious comes there way they will die.

I suppose the truth is if you want to hold objectives... buy the latest Matt Ward codex instead of fielding DE.

true that. Holding objectives isn't really best for D.E, they are best at smashing your opponent and then later zooming onto a objective. I think Wracks would work for those objectives in spearhead games. I'm still not 100% sure on them. I also think they might be ok tearing into small units i.e Veterans, combat squads etc.

It might be contrary to the rest of the list, but why not take a larger number of Wracks and a WWP on the haemonculus?

You lack much of a way to deal with Monoliths and Blessed Hulls - what do you see as the prime value with the Scourges? Are they just firebasing for you? With so much of the rest of your army needing to move up why not work in Haywire Blasters on them, in many ways they're even superior to regular Blasters.

I think if you actually want those 5 wracks to fight you need to figure out a way to add an agoniser. If you just want them to hold an objective, you might as well just use warriors and keep them in the venom.

Also, just FYI, I've seen your lists before, and the name of your army bugs me. I'm assuming you want it to be pronounced as "coven of a thousand corpses" but what you have written would be read as "coven of a one thousand corpses"

Eyclonus wrote:It might be contrary to the rest of the list, but why not take a larger number of Wracks and a WWP on the haemonculus?

For what you said I may as well take the Beastmasters as they will do a much better job.

Thor665 wrote:You lack much of a way to deal with Monoliths and Blessed Hulls - what do you see as the prime value with the Scourges? Are they just firebasing for you? With so much of the rest of your army needing to move up why not work in Haywire Blasters on them, in many ways they're even superior to regular Blasters.

I can't say about Monoliths at the moment, but blessed hulls I've never ran into, but can never say never. If I do run into them I'll have to change tactics.

I think I'm probably gonna go back to Beastmasters.

Nate668 wrote:I think if you actually want those 5 wracks to fight you need to figure out a way to add an agoniser. If you just want them to hold an objective, you might as well just use warriors and keep them in the venom.

Also, just FYI, I've seen your lists before, and the name of your army bugs me. I'm assuming you want it to be pronounced as "coven of a thousand corpses" but what you have written would be read as "coven of a one thousand corpses"

Agoniser would be better on them. I used them in a game last night and a squad of Warriors would be better for objective holding.

Your suggested title does not make sense. Also the title of this film disagrees with you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_1000_Corpses

This is basically the same as my list, it gets owned by dedicated shooting armies as well as drop pod armies, but you'll do fine against everything else.

That title is House of 1000 corpses. You write coven of A 1000 corpses. Take out the "a" and it's fine.

Ravenous D wrote:This is basically the same as my list, it gets owned by dedicated shooting armies as well as drop pod armies, but you'll do fine against everything else.

I see your point on shooting armies i.e Guard as they are a tough match up. I am thinking of putting my Beastmasters back in as they always cause carnage. I can see about Drop Pod armies as well with all the melta etc.

Nate668 wrote:That title is House of 1000 corpses. You write coven of A 1000 corpses. Take out the "a" and it's fine.

Have to agree with Nate,

Perhaps if you want them objective holding, you could give one a hex rifle to pin aproaching units.

I could see maybe taking a venom w/ 3 wracks, basically the absolute cheapest way to get a venom and leave it hanging out around an objective, but not for any cc punch. Just to get a cheaper(er) venom.

I don't like the DL on the scourges. You limit your mobility. I think a haywire blaster would be a much better choice. They're more suppression than destruction though. Direct comparison, they are a lot more likely to shake/stun/wep destroyed/ and equally as likely to explode, but they can't wreck anything, unless it's open topped. Decent range, coupled with scourges movement.

Ysclyth wrote:

Nate668 wrote:That title is House of 1000 corpses. You write coven of A 1000 corpses. Take out the "a" and it's fine.

Have to agree with Nate,

Perhaps if you want them objective holding, you could give one a hex rifle to pin aproaching units.

Well I'm not really bothered about the title of the list. That;s jut the grammar police out and about.

Hexrifles aren't that good.

ThePhish wrote:I could see maybe taking a venom w/ 3 wracks, basically the absolute cheapest way to get a venom and leave it hanging out around an objective, but not for any cc punch. Just to get a cheaper(er) venom.

I don't like the DL on the scourges. You limit your mobility. I think a haywire blaster would be a much better choice. They're more suppression than destruction though. Direct comparison, they are a lot more likely to shake/stun/wep destroyed/ and equally as likely to explode, but they can't wreck anything, unless it's open topped. Decent range, coupled with scourges movement.

I think I'm going to stick with my Beastmasters and drop all the Scourges.

mercer wrote:

Ysclyth wrote:

Nate668 wrote:That title is House of 1000 corpses. You write coven of A 1000 corpses. Take out the "a" and it's fine.

Have to agree with Nate,

Perhaps if you want them objective holding, you could give one a hex rifle to pin aproaching units.

Well I'm not really bothered about the title of the list. That;s jut the grammar police out and about.

Hexrifles aren't that good.

ThePhish wrote:I could see maybe taking a venom w/ 3 wracks, basically the absolute cheapest way to get a venom and leave it hanging out around an objective, but not for any cc punch. Just to get a cheaper(er) venom.

I don't like the DL on the scourges. You limit your mobility. I think a haywire blaster would be a much better choice. They're more suppression than destruction though. Direct comparison, they are a lot more likely to shake/stun/wep destroyed/ and equally as likely to explode, but they can't wreck anything, unless it's open topped. Decent range, coupled with scourges movement.

I think I'm going to stick with my Beastmasters and drop all the Scourges.

Okay, I get it, you don't like to admit you're wrong. That's fine, but now you know how to fix it (Coven of 1000 Corpses) if you don't want a dumb name (Coven of a 1000 Corpses).

Agreed, Hexrifles aren't worth it. And I think you'd be fine dropping the scourges. You've got a ton of darklight weapons already without them.

mercer wrote:

Ysclyth wrote:

Hexrifles aren't that good.

ThePhish wrote:I could see maybe taking a venom w/ 3 wracks, basically the absolute cheapest way to get a venom and leave it hanging out around an objective, but not for any cc punch. Just to get a cheaper(er) venom.

I don't like the DL on the scourges. You limit your mobility. I think a haywire blaster would be a much better choice. They're more suppression than destruction though. Direct comparison, they are a lot more likely to shake/stun/wep destroyed/ and equally as likely to explode, but they can't wreck anything, unless it's open topped. Decent range, coupled with scourges movement.

I think I'm going to stick with my Beastmasters and drop all the Scourges.

Agreed, hexrifles kind of suck.

Beastmasters are what I typically run. They make a good countercharge unit and can eat smaller squads for lunch and some bigger ones too. You have the points available to keep a squad of scourges and still run beasts. Granted, you don't have any other cc units than the beasts though.

Nate668 wrote:

Okay, I get it, you don't like to admit you're wrong. That's fine, but now you know how to fix it (Coven of 1000 Corpses) if you don't want a dumb name (Coven of a 1000 Corpses).

Agreed, Hexrifles aren't worth it. And I think you'd be fine dropping the scourges. You've got a ton of darklight weapons already without them.

Nothing to do with admiting I am wrong, which I quite easily do. You even said yourself you're just nit picking and nothing to do with the list itself, which is my point. Anyway...

I think I will be fine without the Scourges. I would like them, but I know the Beastmasters are just loads better from previous game experience.

ThePhish wrote:

mercer wrote:

Ysclyth wrote:

Hexrifles aren't that good.

ThePhish wrote:

Agreed, hexrifles kind of suck. Very small chance to to a lot of damage. Very large chance to do nothing at all.

Beastmasters are what I typically run. They make a good countercharge unit and can eat smaller squads for lunch and some bigger ones too. You have the points available to keep a squad of scourges and still run beasts. Granted, you don't have any other cc units than the beasts though.

I used hexrifle twice before and it was the pits. Won't be doing so again. Shame as it sounds a nasty weapon.

You're totally right about Beastmasters. In a recent game they weapon destroyed a Vindicator, immobilised and stunned another Vindicator, killed two Assault Squads (5 man) and chased off a Assault Squad and a Honour Guard unit. I worked out that's about 750 points damage from a single Beastmaster unit.

My favorite list at 2k, which is fairly similar to yours, is:


HQ
Haemonculus, liquifier

Elite

3 x Kabalite Trueborn w/ 3 x blasters - Raider w/ FF
3 x Kabalite Trueborn w/ 3 x blasters - Raider w/ FF
3 x Kabalite Trueborn w/ 3 x blasters - Raider w/ FF

Troops

5 x Kabalite Warriors w/ blaster - Raider w/ FF
5 x Kabalite Warriors w/ blaster - Raider w/ FF
5 x Kabalite Warriors w/ blaster - Venom w/ splinter cannon
5 x Kabalite Warriors w/ blaster - Venom w/ splinter cannon
7 x Wyches, Hekatrix w/ Agoniser Included, Haywire Nades - Raider w/ dissy
8 x Wyches, Hekatrix w/ Agoniser Included, Haywire Nades - Raider w/ dissy

Fast Attack

Beastmasters - 3 x beastmasters, 4 x khymerae & 4 x razorwing flocks
Beastmasters - 2 x beastmasters, 4 x khymerae & 2 x razorwing flocks

Heavy Support

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Total: 1,998